The O'Five rifle at Body 20. How many of you have it?

[Tokenn]

TOO MUCH FUN!!!

https://youtu.be/GSpRUnm5Zs0

[Grobut]

Not me.

Body is mainly useful for those who want to pursue a melee build, whereas Reflexes is what you generally want for a gun based build, so yeah, the high Body requirement on some guns does seem a bit odd to me from a gameplay standpoint.

It follows a certain logic from a real-world perspectiive, big heavy gun means you must be stronk to wield it, but it doesen't fit neatly into the levelling system they created.

[Tokenn]

It does seem like an odd requirement... I leveled my current persona [tall, muscular Nomad woman] up to 10 Body before the Heist to better handle heavy shotguns and LMGs, and continued to add strength for brawling/boxing ability. I saw no need to max out the other attributes. It also takes a high Body number to wield a new sniper rifle in the game as well. In the case of the O'Five, the results speak for themselves. Apparently the new Guts shotgun has mega-recoil too...we'll see how that works out.

[Knottypine]

I like the laugh after each kill.

[Tokenn]

Originally posted by Knottypine:

I like the laugh after each kill.

I cannot deny that I am a very bad person.

I found the new Guts shotgun...the recoil is still crazy. Frankly, I found it inferior to the Legendary Carnage in most ways.

[Izzy Wit Da Uzi]

It's almost like a grenade launcher now.

[519B.]

It't not "odd", dexterity or "Reflexes" in this game shouldn't have anything to do with handling a massive rifle, body/"strength" makes perfect sense.

*Body is good for things like Shotgun builds with High life regen, not just for "melee"

[Tokenn]

Originally posted by Shade:

It't not "odd", dexterity or "Reflexes" in this game shouldn't have anything to do with handling a massive rifle, body/"strength" makes perfect sense.

*Body is good for things like Shotgun builds with High life regen, not just for "melee"

My original point was about having to attain _20-level_ in Body to use it, and how many people would do that. That's a lot of points to devote to a niche weapon.

[Tokenn]

'Strong enough to take down an AV' eh? Challenge accepted!

[shoopy]

I will by the time I finish the game, works fine without though. It's basically the sniper version of Guts.

Edit:
Guts is a lot of fun by the way. And yeah, shotguns and LMGs are meant to work with body because the perks are designed for running up to enemies and blowing them away rather than sitting back and shooting from long range. So the extra health helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWr3oGKOPy0

[shoopy]

Originally posted by Jericho:

Originally posted by ardiel:

I will by the time I finish the game, works fine without though. It's basically the sniper version of Guts.

Edit:
Guts is a lot of fun by the way. And yeah, shotguns and LMGs are meant to work with body because the perks are designed for running up to enemies and blowing them away rather than sitting back and shooting from long range. So the extra health helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWr3oGKOPy0

Bloody Maria does more damage than GUTS. But GUTS is unique in that it can stop you from taking fall damage. Try it out. Jump off a really tall building and then within about 5 seconds of hitting the ground, fire the gun directly towards the ground.

I just like the stupid amount of recoil, plus I prefer high pellet count shotguns.

[shoopy]

Originally posted by Jericho:

Originally posted by ardiel:

I just like the stupid amount of recoil, plus I prefer high pellet count shotguns.

The "stupid amount of recoil" is what lets you survive leaps of faith like Rebecca. It's a feature.

It's cool but I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I could actually use that to my advantage.

[shoopy]

Originally posted by Jericho:

Originally posted by ardiel:

It's cool but I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I could actually use that to my advantage.

Are you kidding me? Every single time you have to take a stupidly long elevator you can just jump off the side of the building with Guts instead. No more wasted time. Elevators are for suckers.

I've taken an elevator to a place I could have jumped off of maybe twice in my current 40 hour playthrough. I get it though.

I like the fact that if you miss somebody, it still knocks them down. Or knocks down multiple people. Or hits all body parts if you get the range just right. I often get cases blowing off a head and multiple limbs in one shot.

[shoopy]

Originally posted by Jericho:

Originally posted by ardiel:

I've taken an elevator to a place I could have jumped off of maybe twice in my current 40 hour playthrough. I get it though.

I like the fact that if you miss somebody, it still knocks them down. Or knocks down multiple people. Or hits all body parts if you get the range just right. I often get cases blowing off a head and multiple limbs in one shot.

If you manage to miss with Guts you're doing something wrong. It fires 20 pellets a shot. For perspective, the average is 6-12. At point blank, guts is the most damaging, but for the typical combat scenario Bloody Maria is a more dependable weapon. Sovereign is pretty good too. It's like the Doom super shotgun.

By "miss" I mean reticle not being perfectly on target. It's still a hit but might not be with other guns. Easy to happen with a controller while trying to use the Speed Demon perk.