yorinobu's plan

[The Big Red 1]

we all know that yorinobu's plan is to destory arasaka but has it ever occur to him that even if he gets rid of arasaka another one will merely replace it and another one after that?

[GarfieldCultist]

War Maiden původně napsal:

Well, in your first paragraph, that is dependent if one chose the Nomad Role
If we chose the Corpo role (in your second paragraph) then things move differently, as they should. Because both roles 'should' incorporate different psychological mindsets, as per their different stories and different 'life roles'.

It doesn't move differently from the canon already established from Cyberpunk 2013 and Cyberpunk 2020. What Vela outlined is what is established in the settings history, which CDPR adhered too as it was written by Mike Pondsmith, who they had in house to ensure things were accurate and even voices Maximum Mike on Morro Rock Radio.

Your character's perception of events doesn't change Yori's history or motives, your character just isn't privy to them depending on the actions you take.

[GoreTiger]

I never really took Yorinobu as some crusader looking to topple big corps or whatever, I just took him as a spoiled rich kid who wanted to rebel against daddy, and Destroying daddy's company would of been the best way to do it.
If he wanted to cripple corpos, Why would he try to shuffle off the relic plans to militech then? He'd be helping the second largest corpo then. Doesn't sound like the right approach for someone looking to take the fight to the corpos.
He wanted to do it to give militech a boost, because in his eyes militech was the only corporation around that could hurt arasaka and he knew his father hated them. He loved the Irony of his father's greatest creation falling into the hands of his most hated rival.

Yorinobu and Saburo's relationship is pretty cliche. It's he typical rich dad running a big business tries training his son but his son gets rebellious and lashes out. Son wants to see dad fail out of spite.

[Tijger]

Vela Darney původně napsal:

The Big Red 1 původně napsal:

makes me wonder what yorinobu plans after he does all that. did he make the world better or worse?

Could go either way, I guess, but knowing Cyberpunk as a genre, he probably triggered yet another corporate war (everyone and their Aunt Edina scrambling to fill the vacuum left by Arasaka) and made things a LOT worse ...

This. But I doubt he cares about the actual world as such, he just hates Arasaka and by extension his father (or the other way around)

[The Big Red 1]

Tijger původně napsal:

Vela Darney původně napsal:

Could go either way, I guess, but knowing Cyberpunk as a genre, he probably triggered yet another corporate war (everyone and their Aunt Edina scrambling to fill the vacuum left by Arasaka) and made things a LOT worse ...

This. But I doubt he cares about the actual world as such, he just hates Arasaka and by extension his father (or the other way around)

if that be true than yorinobu is no better than his father since he has no plans after arasaka collapses a good leader plans for something like that.

[Vela Darney]

The Big Red 1 původně napsal:

Tijger původně napsal:

This. But I doubt he cares about the actual world as such, he just hates Arasaka and by extension his father (or the other way around)

if that be true than yorinobu is no better than his father since he has no plans after arasaka collapses a good leader plans for something like that.

Well, Johnny didn't plan anything for after blowing 'Saka Tower, either ... They're actually quite alike, Johnny and Yorinobu. They used to call Yorinobu "The Johnny Silverhand of Tokyo", after all.

[Tijger]

The Big Red 1 původně napsal:

Tijger původně napsal:

This. But I doubt he cares about the actual world as such, he just hates Arasaka and by extension his father (or the other way around)

if that be true than yorinobu is no better than his father since he has no plans after arasaka collapses a good leader plans for something like that.

That would be a fair conclusion and one I agree with and not without precedent in the world.

[The Big Red 1]

Tijger původně napsal:

The Big Red 1 původně napsal:

if that be true than yorinobu is no better than his father since he has no plans after arasaka collapses a good leader plans for something like that.

That would be a fair conclusion and one I agree with and not without precedent in the world.

i remember a convo with takemura and still to this day stays stuck with me that people like yorinobu, silverhand and the masses hating and wanting to bring the corporations down but they do not offer any worthy alternatives or plans afterwards (anarchy is not really a good solution and would most likely akin to a post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone is in charge and killing each other). and to say that everything cannot be fixed at once takemura was right.

[GoreTiger]

It's worth noting here that Arasaka are planning for full scale war with militech.


Gig spoilers:

Doing Padre's missions, we discover what's basically a false flag staging operation where arasaka was paying valentinos to dress up in militech gear that arasaka had provided them, and then assault an arasaka building under the guise of being militech soldiers. When we talk to padre about this he gets real nervous, because he's heard of similer false flag staging areas being discovered as well.
So basically arasaka wants to start a war with a false flag operation against militech.
Question is tho....Who'se behind this? Was it Saburo? If so why? Or is it yorinobu?

[Vela Darney]

GoreTiger původně napsal:

It's worth noting here that Arasaka are planning for full scale war with militech.


Gig spoilers:

Doing Padre's missions, we discover what's basically a false flag staging operation where arasaka was paying valentinos to dress up in militech gear that arasaka had provided them, and then assault an arasaka building under the guise of being militech soldiers. When we talk to padre about this he gets real nervous, because he's heard of similer false flag staging areas being discovered as well.
So basically arasaka wants to start a war with a false flag operation against militech.
Question is tho....Who'se behind this? Was it Saburo? If so why? Or is it yorinobu?

Further spoilers:

Another thing is that databank you can find up on the roof of the Konpeki Plaza, in the same AV as Satori. I've read that if you unlock it, it's Saburo Arasaka's diary. The last two or so entries, he writes he's considering wiping out Night City but decided not to do it because Hanako asked him not to do it.

So the false flag operations might actually be Yorinobu's doing, hoping to have the one corporation that's probably got most of a chance against Arasaks pushed into a war that'll kill his insane megalomaniac of a father. I mean, he was negotiating with Militech regarding the Relic, which probably was him attempting giving them something that would give them an edge over Arasaka.