Why V Always Die? WHY CDPR?!

[mahmut]

Why we cannot save V's life?

[fauxpas]

Because 'choices matters.

[Alecthelm]

ok- V dies- By her/his own Hand, if he/She sucks in Ara Raid, if he/she let Johnny get the Body( but is being behind the Wall dead?)- and if she/he is dump enough to trust Arasaka and go to Mikoshi.
All other endigs V is Alive -for now- let the Expensions do what they have to.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Alecthelm:

ok- V dies- By her/his own Hand, if he/She sucks in Ara Raid, if he/she let Johnny get the Body( but is being behind the Wall dead?)- and if she/he is dump enough to trust Arasaka and go to Mikoshi.
All other endigs V is Alive -for now- let the Expensions do what they have to.

Dead now or dead in six-ish months is still dead. 🤦‍♀️

[Alecthelm]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Dead now or dead in six-ish months is still dead. 🤦‍♀️

Hrhrhrhr..Panam will get your Ass spanked for this saying, she believes in Healing- what means they really let it open what will happen, you didnt see V die, not in space, not on the Sea or else, only like mentioned in first post.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Alecthelm:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Dead now or dead in six-ish months is still dead. 🤦‍♀️

Hrhrhrhr..Panam will get your Ass spanked for this saying, she believes in Healing- what means they really let it open what will happen, you didnt see V die, not in space, not on the Sea or else, only like mentioned in first post.

Off camera or on camera is irrelevant, and what Pam believes in doesn't change that the entire story was about the inevitability of V's death and how her life has effected those around her.

[Alecthelm]

thats your opinion, ive got another, so be it.

[♠.brT]

Okay, first of all, you don't know if V dies. (in the endings where V has 6 months to live) Remember, V initial diagnostic was a few weeks, V extended that, and the game makes no judgement on if V managed to extend further in the future or if V just ran out of time.

At the end of the day the story is about accepting your own mortality and V's fate was sealed by DeShawn's bullet. We tend to dislike stories where the protagonist dies, and its understandable. Nobody wants to die, but everybody has to.

[Piderman]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Dead now or dead in six-ish months is still dead. 🤦‍♀️

According to that logic, you hate any game that has a mortal main protagonist, i guess.

[コヤマジRRR]

Although this game is based on cyberpunk, I think its core is an anti-cyberpunk storytelling form. After completing the four endings of the story, I felt an unprecedented sense of powerlessness and emptiness, crazy Rebellion and resistance, giant enterprises that squeeze the people, and the neon life of entertainment to death, these will all be attributed to the cable, to the network, to the endless nothingness of eternal freedom

Neon is dead, cyber is still

[Alecthelm]

Originally posted by コヤマジRRR:

Although this game is based on cyberpunk, I think its core is an anti-cyberpunk storytelling form. After completing the four endings of the story, I felt an unprecedented sense of powerlessness and emptiness, crazy Rebellion and resistance, giant enterprises that squeeze the people, and the neon life of entertainment to death, these will all be attributed to the cable, to the network, to the endless nothingness of eternal freedom

Neon is dead, cyber is still

very poetic, lovely thx for sharing- isnt Cyberpunk Dystopian? so...no one will go direction Sundown Hand in Hand with his Corpo or Gang Surpressor in the End, or am i Wrong

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Delamain:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Dead now or dead in six-ish months is still dead. 🤦‍♀️

According to that logic, you hate any game that has a mortal main protagonist, i guess.

Now that is a truly epic strawman. You care to try again? 🙄

[Piderman]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Now that is a truly epic strawman. You care to try again? 🙄

Idiotic posts deserve nothing but equally idiotic replies, thats all.
Also what other people already said: "Cyberpunk" in general is a dystopian setting where you can´t expect happy ends. These six months and the chances that V got are already quite generous. You wont get anything better.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Delamain:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Now that is a truly epic strawman. You care to try again? 🙄

Idiotic posts deserve nothing but equally idiotic replies, thats all.
Also what other people already said: "Cyberpunk" in general is a dystopian setting where you can´t expect happy ends. These six months and the chances that V got are already quite generous. You wont get anything better.

Careful or you'll run out of straw. 🙄


Dystopian settings and "happy endings" have nothing to do with the broken promise of choices matter.


Let's look at three very simple and easy story endings, none of which could be considered 'happy' but all of which belong in the Nior / Cyberpunk genre.


(1) V transcends humanity much as she does in the Alt ending, losing any semblance of self and individually in exchange for something... else. ... Johnny may or may not live on in V's body depending on what story choices were made.


(2) V embraces her fate goes out with a bang, becoming a true legend that Mercs will whisper about for decades.


(3) In her desire to live V is willing to burn contacts, friends, creds, and rep to find a cure, but in the end is left right where she started, a hungry low end merc that real Fixers wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. ... Jackie gets his drink in this ending, but that is the only thing she has to show for her losses.


None of these are truly 'happy endings' but there is something for everyone and each player gets to decide which flavor of bittersweet they enjoy most.

[Wisp Cat]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Let's look at three very simple and easy story endings, none of which could be considered 'happy' but all of which belong in the Nior / Cyberpunk genre.

I am not sure if the ending where V is doing an EVA and about to tackle a tough mission "going out with a bang". But if so that "bang" is not in the ending.

And, you left out the one where the ending has V sitting by a lake with a planned visit to medical experts.

These are still "dystopian" endings, but without a dead V in the ending.

Of course, everyone dies -- it's a question of when. And that's a real question.

[Piderman]

So what is your problem then? You get to choose what happens in the end, but none of these ends includes some Unicorn that magically fixes everything which was statet to be unfixable right at the end of the prologue.
Its just that one choice you dont get to choose because its simply impossible. Some people here consider this to be bad writing, but in fact its a rather well written story about a person driven mostly by desperation but also sometimes by hope.
The punchline is, V and Johnny both went the same way out of two different motivations but ended up in the same way: dead.