Only one canon good ending?

[Badass Trans Knight]

Having played every "canon" ending, it seems like the only good ending is going with the Aldecados. Misty's cards direct towards it, Judy will tell you to leave if you're with her, Panam asks you to join her and will offer help without the player even asking, and all the other endings range from melancholy to outright bad.

Suicide; getting dumped and then dying, working with Arasaka, uploading to a computer; all seem like really crappy ways to finish up the game. And in this one ending you stay with the person, leave with few drawbacks, and even really seem to survive in the end (V has no symptoms during the phonecalls, despite being a wreck before they even happen in the other endings, that is a pretty clear sign whatever she tried succeeded).

I'm not complaining about this ending, but rather about all the others. There isn't even a neutral ending; either you get what I'd call a storybook ending that anybody would want, or you die, no in between. I feel like there needs to be an in-between.


This is especially considering the endings where what you do after doesn't need to be so rigid. What's stopping V from going with the Aldecados after giving Johnny control for example? That could end up pretty much the same. It makes sense that it's the only option after siding with the Aldecados for the final fight, but otherwise I think there should be more of a choice. V going corporate after the Rogue ending seems especially out of left field.

[nichosi]

the character dies anyway, because the soulkiller copies consciousness, erasing the original one
there is no right choice, Misty talks about it before the key decision on the balcony
the only important thing is that how you want your character will be remembered

the ending with nomads is not the best because we have an ending with Rogue where after several months the character is still sick and Panam just leaves him

[Badass Trans Knight]

Originally posted by eNkee:

the character dies anyway, because the soulkiller copies consciousness, erasing the original one
there is no right choice, Misty talks about it before the key decision on the balcony
the only important thing is that how you want your character will be remembered

the ending with nomads is not the best because we have an ending with Rogue where after several months the character is still sick and Panam just leaves him

I don't believe in souls. Based on the fact that V didn't even know that the transfer happened it looks like it in no way violated the stream of consciousness, making it no different than the nanosecond between neurons firing.

Also, the Rogue ending is the worst. You get dumped and then you die, tf are you talking about. The ending where you leave with the nomads is the best.

[DarthMyrten]

Originally posted by eides72:

Having played every "canon" ending, it seems like the only good ending is going with the Aldecados. Misty's cards direct towards it, Judy will tell you to leave if you're with her, Panam asks you to join her and will offer help without the player even asking, and all the other endings range from melancholy to outright bad.

Suicide; getting dumped and then dying, working with Arasaka, uploading to a computer; all seem like really crappy ways to finish up the game. And in this one ending you stay with the person, leave with few drawbacks, and even really seem to survive in the end (V has no symptoms during the phonecalls, despite being a wreck before they even happen in the other endings, that is a pretty clear sign whatever she tried succeeded).

I'm not complaining about this ending, but rather about all the others. There isn't even a neutral ending; either you get what I'd call a storybook ending that anybody would want, or you die, no in between. I feel like there needs to be an in-between.


This is especially considering the endings where what you do after doesn't need to be so rigid. What's stopping V from going with the Aldecados after giving Johnny control for example? That could end up pretty much the same. It makes sense that it's the only option after siding with the Aldecados for the final fight, but otherwise I think there should be more of a choice. V going corporate after the Rogue ending seems especially out of left field.

There is no "good" ending since no ending guarantees survival, what's best ending is totally subjective, for me it's Arasaka.

[Badass Trans Knight]

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

Originally posted by eides72:

Having played every "canon" ending, it seems like the only good ending is going with the Aldecados. Misty's cards direct towards it, Judy will tell you to leave if you're with her, Panam asks you to join her and will offer help without the player even asking, and all the other endings range from melancholy to outright bad.

Suicide; getting dumped and then dying, working with Arasaka, uploading to a computer; all seem like really crappy ways to finish up the game. And in this one ending you stay with the person, leave with few drawbacks, and even really seem to survive in the end (V has no symptoms during the phonecalls, despite being a wreck before they even happen in the other endings, that is a pretty clear sign whatever she tried succeeded).

I'm not complaining about this ending, but rather about all the others. There isn't even a neutral ending; either you get what I'd call a storybook ending that anybody would want, or you die, no in between. I feel like there needs to be an in-between.


This is especially considering the endings where what you do after doesn't need to be so rigid. What's stopping V from going with the Aldecados after giving Johnny control for example? That could end up pretty much the same. It makes sense that it's the only option after siding with the Aldecados for the final fight, but otherwise I think there should be more of a choice. V going corporate after the Rogue ending seems especially out of left field.

There is no "good" ending since no ending guarantees survival, what's best ending is totally subjective, for me it's Arasaka.

The Aldecados one does pretty strongly. It shows you with no symptoms at all well past what, in other endings, cripples you. That's pretty solid evidence.

[Tenshin51]

Each players have their own interpretation w/ the ending even the game show it w/ their side quest and kinda foreshadow the ending. If you save a monk in a side quest it will later show up in a main quest it will discuss Engram.

Whether Engram is just a code or a soul at the end of discussion Johnny agrees the original Johnny is dead and he is just a code but who cares anyway when Saburo is a vampire and Adecaldo are werewolves.

[DarthMyrten]

Originally posted by eides72:

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

There is no "good" ending since no ending guarantees survival, what's best ending is totally subjective, for me it's Arasaka.

The Aldecados one does pretty strongly. It shows you with no symptoms at all well past what, in other endings, cripples you. That's pretty solid evidence.

There are symptoms, Panam notices that, and you still die in 6 months unless miracle happens and Nomads are able to do something which neither Alt nor Arasaka can.

Also - you are playing as a clone - original V was killed when Alt used Soulkiller on you

[Badass Trans Knight]

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

Originally posted by eides72:

The Aldecados one does pretty strongly. It shows you with no symptoms at all well past what, in other endings, cripples you. That's pretty solid evidence.

There are symptoms, Panam notices that, and you still die in 6 months unless miracle happens and Nomads are able to do something which neither Alt nor Arasaka can.

Also - you are playing as a clone - original V was killed when Alt used Soulkiller on you

Again with the soulkiller ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The machine doesn't break the consciousness line, so V is fine unless you believe in soul ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, which it's made relatively clear V does not.

As for Panam noticing, she says no such thing in the Aldecados ending. Whoever you're with will notice in Rogue's ending.

And as for Alt, Alt is insane, blind to everything outside the city and most things within, and relentlessly pessimistic. She knows so little about the concept that she literally forgot you had a body till then. And Arasaka is kinda useless, the game makes it pretty clear they're only good at destruction.

The nomads and Viktor both look over V and say she'll survive as long as she takes her meds and makes sure not to do anything too reckless (Viktor says not to get the fix dusty, V had no such issue before so it's safe to assume they have some sort of patchwork cure at least), also, the nomads' whole schtic is brutal honesty, they never lie or sugarcoat a thing, so I'd trust them over Alt's insanity.

[DarthMyrten]

Originally posted by eides72:

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

There are symptoms, Panam notices that, and you still die in 6 months unless miracle happens and Nomads are able to do something which neither Alt nor Arasaka can.

Also - you are playing as a clone - original V was killed when Alt used Soulkiller on you

Again with the soulkiller ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The machine doesn't break the consciousness line, so V is fine unless you believe in soul ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, which it's made relatively clear V does not.

It does break consciousness line - you are a copy, it's not a transfer.

As for Panam noticing, she says no such thing in the Aldecados ending. Whoever you're with will notice in Rogue's ending.

You missed it, look here at 10:00 Panam says '♥♥♥♥, V. You are bleeding again'
https://youtu.be/qVmqLU5MSKE?t=600

And as for Alt, Alt is insane, blind to everything outside the city and most things within, and relentlessly pessimistic. She knows so little about the concept that she literally forgot you had a body till then.

Alt is not a human, but very powerful AI which most likely knew what will happen to body and tricked you into letting it into Mikoshi so it could assimilate engrams of very powerful people stored there.

And Arasaka is kinda useless, the game makes it pretty clear they're only good at destruction.

You mistake Arasaka for Johny Silverhand

The nomads and Viktor both look over V and say she'll survive as long as she takes her meds and makes sure not to do anything too reckless (Viktor says not to get the fix dusty, V had no such issue before so it's safe to assume they have some sort of patchwork cure at least), also, the nomads' whole schtic is brutal honesty, they never lie or sugarcoat a thing, so I'd trust them over Alt's insanity.

Victor said just after prologue that these medication can't stop death, only delay it a bit.

Nomads are willing to help you, that's for sure, but they simply have no reasonable way to do this.

[Badass Trans Knight]

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

Originally posted by eides72:

Again with the soulkiller ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The machine doesn't break the consciousness line, so V is fine unless you believe in soul ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, which it's made relatively clear V does not.

It does break consciousness line - you are a copy, it's not a transfer.

As for Panam noticing, she says no such thing in the Aldecados ending. Whoever you're with will notice in Rogue's ending.

You missed it, look here at 10:00 Panam says '♥♥♥♥, V. You are bleeding again'
https://youtu.be/qVmqLU5MSKE?t=600

And as for Alt, Alt is insane, blind to everything outside the city and most things within, and relentlessly pessimistic. She knows so little about the concept that she literally forgot you had a body till then.

Alt is very powerful AI which most likely knew what will happen to body and tricked you into letting it into Mikoshi.

And Arasaka is kinda useless, the game makes it pretty clear they're only good at destruction.

You mistake Arasaka for Johny Silverhand

The nomads and Viktor both look over V and say she'll survive as long as she takes her meds and makes sure not to do anything too reckless (Viktor says not to get the fix dusty, V had no such issue before so it's safe to assume they have some sort of patchwork cure at least), also, the nomads' whole schtic is brutal honesty, they never lie or sugarcoat a thing, so I'd trust them over Alt's insanity.

Victor said just after prologue that these medication can't stop death, only delay it a bit.

Nomads are willing to help you, that's for sure, but they simply have no reasonable way to do this.

Oh, that's immediately after the Aldecados raid ends, like within a week even. You were already bleeding a lot.

I'm talking later, during and just before the phonecalls and during the end of the Rogue ending. A few months later, V is incapacitated by the symptoms and goes to space in a last ditch effort for the cure, then the calls happen. In the Aldecados ending, V is with Judy during the phonecall and is perfectly fine, not a single symptom, and Judy seems to believe she's fully recovered as she is preparing for a more dedicated relationship, not something you'd do for a person who will die in a month.

By contrast, Judy leaves V during the Rogue ending because she can't handle that V is getting worse; clearly V is not having these symptoms here.


Alt is plenty strong, but they do mention that the net used in NC only works in NC; that means that Alt is 100% blind to most of the world, not reliable.

Viktor said after the prologue that the medication can't stop Johnny from taking over. Not applicable here. In this case the medications are just to reverse physical damage, that's much simpler.


And, last and finally, this is the cyberpunk genre. The corporations are worthless engines of death, they won't save you, you're better off trusting ordinary people.

[Milliardo Von Drache]

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

There is no "good" ending since no ending guarantees survival, what's best ending is totally subjective, for me it's Arasaka.

For the “universe” yes it's better giving Alt a copy of Saburo is the worst idea in the universe. For V no matter you are dead so enjoy the ride in the way you like.

[nichosi]

Originally posted by eides72:

Originally posted by eNkee:

the character dies anyway, because the soulkiller copies consciousness, erasing the original one
there is no right choice, Misty talks about it before the key decision on the balcony
the only important thing is that how you want your character will be remembered

the ending with nomads is not the best because we have an ending with Rogue where after several months the character is still sick and Panam just leaves him

I don't believe in souls. Based on the fact that V didn't even know that the transfer happened it looks like it in no way violated the stream of consciousness, making it no different than the nanosecond between neurons firing.

Also, the Rogue ending is the worst. You get dumped and then you die, tf are you talking about. The ending where you leave with the nomads is the best.

the question is not about the soul, but about the original data, which can be copied or overwritten
this is how things work
you can only be saved by stopping aging or degradation
nomad ending is pointless for survival in general, their southern version will not work because a secret/rogue final in time later than Panam ending and character is still coughing up blood in the shower

but my reasoning refers to one universe, but in fact the endings can be in different

[Badass Trans Knight]

Originally posted by Milliardo Von Drache:

Originally posted by DarthMyrten:

There is no "good" ending since no ending guarantees survival, what's best ending is totally subjective, for me it's Arasaka.

For the “universe” yes it's better giving Alt a copy of Saburo is the worst idea in the universe. For V no matter you are dead so enjoy the ride in the way you like.

Seriously, again, there is no reason to think that V fails to find a cure in the Aldecados ending. She's literally shown free of symptoms past the time she's crippled in every other ending, that's pretty solid.

Viktor also mentions that she has some new implant or something and tells her to take good care of it or she'll die, meaning that she has something in there keeping her alive.

[Badass Trans Knight]

Originally posted by eNkee:

Originally posted by eides72:

I don't believe in souls. Based on the fact that V didn't even know that the transfer happened it looks like it in no way violated the stream of consciousness, making it no different than the nanosecond between neurons firing.

Also, the Rogue ending is the worst. You get dumped and then you die, tf are you talking about. The ending where you leave with the nomads is the best.

the question is not about the soul, but about the original data, which can be copied or overwritten
this is how things work
you can only be saved by stopping aging or degradation
nomad ending is pointless for survival in general, their southern version will not work because a secret/rogue final in time later than the conversation with the Panam in the penthouse

but my reasoning refers to one universe, but in fact the endings can be in different

Look, objectively, in the Aldecados ending Viktor tells V to make sure to take care of some implant that's keeping her alive. That's pretty solid evidence they found something.

The stuff that happens with Rogue's ending is cut and dry, you just die in that one, Whatever else you're getting at there you're just making up.

[DarthMyrten]

Originally posted by eides72:

You missed it, look here at 10:00 Panam says '♥♥♥♥, V. You are bleeding again'
https://youtu.be/qVmqLU5MSKE?t=600


Alt is very powerful AI which most likely knew what will happen to body and tricked you into letting it into Mikoshi.


You mistake Arasaka for Johny Silverhand


Victor said just after prologue that these medication can't stop death, only delay it a bit.

Nomads are willing to help you, that's for sure, but they simply have no reasonable way to do this.

Oh, that's immediately after the Aldecados raid ends, like within a week even. You were already bleeding a lot.

I'm talking later, during and just before the phonecalls and during the end of the Rogue ending. A few months later, V is incapacitated by the symptoms and goes to space in a last ditch effort for the cure, then the calls happen. In the Aldecados ending, V is with Judy during the phonecall and is perfectly fine, not a single symptom, and Judy seems to believe she's fully recovered as she is preparing for a more dedicated relationship, not something you'd do for a person who will die in a month.

By contrast, Judy leaves V during the Rogue ending because she can't handle that V is getting worse; clearly V is not having these symptoms here.

You make a lot of assumptions which are not in the game:
These phonecalls have no timing, they could be at different time, also not all callers have knowledge about V's status
In Rogue's/secret ending V robs orbital casino, there isn't a single information about cure being there. It looks more like last final glorious mission before death.

Alt is plenty strong, but they do mention that the net used in NC only works in NC; that means that Alt is 100% blind to most of the world, not reliable.

Alt operates beyond the Blackwall, not in corporate net.

Not applicable here. In this case the medications are just to reverse physical damage, that's much simpler.

So you are telling me that neither powerful AI nor world's best doctors on Arasaka's pay can't heal what simple pills from Victor can?

And, last and finally, this is the cyberpunk genre. The corporations are worthless engines of death, they won't save you, you're better off trusting ordinary people.

Too much Johny Silverhand ;) Arasaka clearly saves V's life by operation, and when it's clear it's not over they offer another option which is likely to work given enough time.

[Milliardo Von Drache]

Originally posted by eides72:

Originally posted by Milliardo Von Drache:

For the “universe” yes it's better giving Alt a copy of Saburo is the worst idea in the universe. For V no matter you are dead so enjoy the ride in the way you like.

Seriously, again, there is no reason to think that V fails to find a cure in the Aldecados ending. She's literally shown free of symptoms past the time she's crippled in every other ending, that's pretty solid.

Viktor also mentions that she has some new implant or something and tells her to take good care of it or she'll die, meaning that she has something in there keeping her alive.

There is: Saburo is a vindictive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. No way he will let someone that stole something from him just go.