Make Claire killable "spoilers"

[Jhemp12]

She is one of the biggest pieces of crap in the game. First playthrough, I did it her way, thought she was a piece of crap for manipulating me but thought no more of it. Second playthrough, I didn't do it her way.

She basically tries to manipulate you into killing a innocent guy in cold blood, who just so happened to be in a deathrace that her husband died in. This guy did not kill her husband on purpose. She lures you into being her driver by pretending she is your friend all she cares about is winning. It isn't until after the 3rd race that she drops the bomb on you that what she really wanted all along is for you to kill the guy in the 4th race for her. If you tell her no, you just want to win, she pretends like it's all good. If you win the race and don't kill the guy, she hates your guts and storms off. Here is the worst part, every time you go to the afterlife after that, every time you walk by the bar, this piece of crap screams at you "YOU! NOOO YOU CAN LEAVE! I'M NOT SERVING YOU A THING".

You can't ask Rogue to fire her so she will stfu. You can't kill her or beat her ass or anything. Her husband died in a deathrace because it's a dam deathrace, she acts as if he was murdered in cold blood premeditated. Throughout the races, she is shooting indiscriminately at other drivers btw. She pretends to be your friend, then if you don't murder an innocent man in cold blood for her, she hates your guts and you have to listen to her scream at you every time you walk by the bar at the Afterlife. Either make her shut up after saying it once or let us just shoot the piece of crap lol.

Worst part of this is the game seems to think we're suppose to like this piece of crap for some reason and that we're suppose to feel bad for not murdering an innocent man in cold blood for her.

[X.Crystalx.X]

I am surprised there's no mod to get rid of this tbh lol either way you can tell claire her I will race but I won't kill and Claire says okay, claire actually spares sampson.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEp0JkiqZKQ


edit: I don't like claire either tbh.

[astranabeat]

You can convince her through email before the last race. If you do it right. She will confess she knew it was accidence all along. She will apologize and give you her car.

[Blur]

You are right. Actually, it was quite funny telling her you are winning this race and not following her husband “murderer”. I mean what I am missing by not following her orders? ♥♥♥♥♥♥ truck and her as a friend? Who cares

[sosbro]

Regardless of the varying viewpoints people may have of Claire, if she refuses to serve you drinks in the bar, especially if you have a high Street Rank, should result in her being fired, and having another bartender in her place.

This is Night City after all. Not like Bartenders are a hard position to fill. Unless the customer is universally/publically hated, no reason to not take their eddies.

At least Rogue should have more than bartender. Claire seriously can't be the only one staffing the bar 24/7.

[Bogmore]

How many people in the game have you murdered in cold blood? Most of which did not deserve it.

[Cannon Fodder]

Crazy moral highground to have considering we play a mass murderer...who has a mass murdering terrorist in his/her head, lmfao.

[Captain Skinny]

Originally posted by Bogmore:

How many people in the game have you murdered in cold blood? Most of which did not deserve it.

No one? My V doesnt randomly slaughter NPCs. I even drive as safely as I can. Everyone who I've killled has been either shooting at me first or is wanted dead or alive. I'll even be more merciful if I check a gangoons record and see it isnt so bad, just theft and such.
Don't project your bad deeds onto everyone.

[Rascal]

i dont know what you're talking about but i'd still smash claire :)

[Wantoomany]

Originally posted by Cannon Fodder:

Crazy moral highground to have considering we play a mass murderer...who has a mass murdering terrorist in his/her head, lmfao.

It's not about killing a dude. It's being lied to. Claire could of just hired V to kill the guy and it would of been like any other job. But Claire mislead you, hired you to be a driver not a killer, and worse, wanted you to do it for free.

If Claire was just some street gonk who didn't know any better, it could almost be forgiven. But being familiar with all the top mercs in town, Claire knows better, and still chose to manipulate V.

[Sir Danglefrögge]

Originally posted by Bogmore:

How many people in the game have you murdered in cold blood? Most of which did not deserve it.

Like, none? I just do the gigs, don't kill civilians. Plus when a gig/side job offers me the chance to spare someone, I always do. Pretty much anyone killed by my V was an enemy NPC shooting at me first or a criminal wanted dead. Non-lethal stealth takedowns too if given the chance.

Also, let people criticize parts of the game whether you agree or not without trying to bring your personal moral high-ground into the mix. Narrative dissonance in games is worthy of discussion.

[Vela Darney]

Originally posted by Sir Danglefrögge:

Originally posted by Bogmore:

How many people in the game have you murdered in cold blood? Most of which did not deserve it.

Like, none? I just do the gigs, don't kill civilians.

And how many gangoons did you kill doing those gigs, or doing NCPD scanner things? Every gangoon's a potential Mom or Dad who never got home and whose kids now have to grow up without Mommy or Daddy or, worst case, both. (Just to drive home the point V doesn't actually have any moral high ground to stand on, compared to Claire. Even if you only ever kill the REALLY evil guys - you do KILL the really evil guys. You may be ridding the world of those evil guys in doing so but you'll still be a killer.)

[Blur]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Originally posted by Sir Danglefrögge:

Like, none? I just do the gigs, don't kill civilians.

And how many gangoons did you kill doing those gigs, or doing NCPD scanner things? Every gangoon's a potential Mom or Dad who never got home and whose kids now have to grow up without Mommy or Daddy or, worst case, both. (Just to drive home the point V doesn't actually have any moral high ground to stand on, compared to Claire. Even if you only ever kill the REALLY evil guys - you do KILL the really evil guys. You may be ridding the world of those evil guys in doing so but you'll still be a killer.)

You feel sorry for gang members or what ?

[EricHVela]

Kill Claire? Nah.

Get Claire to either get over it and shaddup or go away? Yah.

It's annoying enough where she's all happy and "What can I get ya?" when you have V keep her happy. I can only imagine how annoying it would be for her to yell at V all the time.

How I would write the bad outcome: Claire gets pissy with V at the Afterlife. Rogue and Claire get into it at the next visit (as it's the Merc work that got Claire to recruit V in the first place). All subsequent visits, Claire is replaced by a machine and randos around the bar will occasionally comment unfavorably on it, and one final FU to all useless mercs as a text message from Claire with nothing more.

I didn't write the bad outcome currently in CP'77, but I also haven't seen it first-hand.

[Phynrae]

Claire works just fine for her story, and here's why:

1) There is actually a "good" ending to this quest, though it does require that you answer with the correct dialog options inorder to get it. And by "good", i mean Claire decides not to kill Sampson, to try and move on with her life instead, you get both Claire's and Sampson's cars, and Claire will actually appologize to you for manipulating you later on.

2) Yes, Clair is manipulating you to get what she wants, but since when are humans perfect? Claire's story is very belivable, very human, even relatable. People can say and do very hurtful things when they are grief stricken, including trying to pin the blame on someone who doesen't deserve it, because anger is easier to cope with than loss. What Claire is doing here is both very belivable, and very human.


Characters don't have to be paragons of moral virtue for them to be a good character. Infact, the opposite is true. People are flawed. People do dumb and shortsighted things.

[Actalo]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

And how many gangoons did you kill doing those gigs, or doing NCPD scanner things? Every gangoon's a potential Mom or Dad who never got home and whose kids now have to grow up without Mommy or Daddy or, worst case, both. (Just to drive home the point V doesn't actually have any moral high ground to stand on, compared to Claire. Even if you only ever kill the REALLY evil guys - you do KILL the really evil guys. You may be ridding the world of those evil guys in doing so but you'll still be a killer.)

It's funny how people just assume everyone plays the game the same way. I don't think I'm alone in playing the kill "only in self-defense" policy. V ain't judge or jury to decide who deserves to live or die in Night City.

You can basically do any mission, gig, etc without killing anyone if you wanted. I don't understand indiscriminately killing scavs or maelstrom either - scavs aren't all body-snatchers and "scav" in the game's lore is a generic term for any of the street-rat denizens that belong go no group and will do anything to survive... some good, some bad.

The game often tells you through dialogue (which you can hear if you stealth) that many the people we would normally blast through are just people doing whatever it takes to feed their families. There was one situation where I came up on a NCPD organized crime and listened to a gangoon woman talking to her young daughter over the phone.

I wish there was a humanity scale in CP2077 that was affected more from killing than simply adding chrome. I like the idea that killing enemies has an impact greater than simply getting an ever decreasing shot of dopamine.

But yeah, Claire wanted V to help her murder someone and unless you the player get lucky or meta-game you can't talk her out of it. Hell, even Judy listens to reason about Woodman, and that guy was truly a monster.