Cyberpunk 2077

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ᶻ𝗓𐰁 Nov 10, 2024 @ 5:31am
So why does V get special treatment from Delamain? [spoilers I guess?]
He wouldn't take Jackie to a ripperdoc but the next day he is fine coming out of his operational zone to take you to one just because you randomly called him up?

And then when your car is damaged he just drops everything to speak to you and invite you into the staff only area for a coffee and a chat.

What did V do to deserve this preferential treatment other than shoot down a few flying drones while being chased?
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Tokenn Nov 10, 2024 @ 5:44am 
V is an Excelsior package customer...it appears to be something like a lifetime subscription to Delamain services. Refusing to take V and Jackie anywhere but the No-Tell seems to have been a pre-programmed contract by a 3rd party (ie. Dex) and Delamain was unable to break that contract. I don't mean to say it makes perfect sense...but it's a necessary plot device.

The big question in my mind, is why did one rogue Delamain appear to lie in wait in V's garage and ram V's car when he got in? Clearly there was something about V that excited Delamain's interest. Maybe Delamain doesn't have any other mercs in his customer database.
ᶻ𝗓𐰁 Nov 10, 2024 @ 5:50am 
I figured it was just a random hit and run, when he crashed the car. The excelsior package explanation feels a bit off too considering Dex was the customer but I guess we're not going to get a real explanation, it's just a 'because you're the hero' narrative I guess.
Mander Nov 10, 2024 @ 7:17am 
Originally posted by Juby:
He wouldn't take Jackie to a ripperdoc but the next day he is fine coming out of his operational zone to take you to one just because you randomly called him up?

And then when your car is damaged he just drops everything to speak to you and invite you into the staff only area for a coffee and a chat.

What did V do to deserve this preferential treatment other than shoot down a few flying drones while being chased?

Regarding your damaged car, it’s his fault: one of the splinters of his ego totaled your car and you’re due reimbursement (as all the others people who got damaged cars by his). The fact that you are, at the point, at least infamous in the merc underground, it’s the reason why he sends you to grab his cars back. It’s an easy job for a merc Delamain has already contacts with, bypassing fixers’ fee and keeping everything under wrap. It’s efficient for both of you, in short.

Why Delamain bother himself with taking you back to the city after your… disagreement with Dexter, I agree it feels a little like “because of plot”, but it could also be because the excelsior package has a 24/48 hour duration (or something like that): you’re still a paid customer, even if you’re outside its “normal” range when you call him. And the only one who could deny your service, Dexter, has suffered from a bad case of lead poisoning, courtesy of Takemura, at the time of your call.
So again, it fits, more o less.
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asarokk Nov 10, 2024 @ 9:53am 
The contract Dex made with Delamain accounted for two possible scenarios:

1) Best case scenario: Driving Jackie and V from the Afterlife to Konpeki Plaza, wait for them and afterwards return them to the Afterlife.
2) If the operation didn't go according to plan, Delamain was supposed to drive them to a safehouse (No-Tell motel) instead so the team to regroup.

Amenities included in the Excelsior package for Delamain's premium clientele come with complete health coverage, even medical diagnostics, combat mode, including handling and disposal of a client's remains.

That and instead of receiving one of Delamain's avatars, Delamain himself will "personally" accompany you. But unfortunately because the itinerary had been pre-arranged and paid for in advance, Delamain was not at liberty to alter it due to being bound by contract.

Even though it was Dex who paid for the Excelsior package, the recipients were Jackie and V. Lucky for them because it's apparently expensive as hell, but one of the benefit is that it's only a one-time payment and is a lifetime membership.

Which is probably the reason Delamain was willing to go outside of his service area to pick up V and drive him to Viktor - and not because V received preferential treatment after dealing with the Arasaka drones. Delamain wasn't the one in danger, combat mode isn't for Del's benefit but that of the occupants. Delamain modus operandi is to notify the occupants any relevant information like "brace for impact" when Del rams through the road block and upon noticing the drones: "A hostile enemy aircraft has a lock on us" and which point V says "Leave it to me" but Delamain was perfectly capable of dealing with it using a missile launcher conveniently placed at the trunk of the car.

Monitoring V's condition and giving Takemura step-by-step medical instructions to help keep V alive is pretty much just part of the Excelsior's full health coverage. Delamain might've considered assisting Viktor part of the deal as well.

When V walks into Delamain's HQ during Tune up we see a bunch of frustrated people dealing with the receptionist or Delamain's "Network subroutines" that have limited operational capabilities, because Delamain is preoccupied with the same crisis - dealing with rogue avatars. Which suggests that V's incidence was after all just a coincidence and was probably not targeted specifically.

Only after requesting to speak to Delamain, does Del respond to V. Suggesting that it didn't occur to anyone but V to try that route and/or because no one else there had lifetime membership. Not to mention these are extenuating circumstances and not only does V just happen to be a mercenary, Delamain just so happens to needs human intervention to assist him with his rogue avatar crisis. Hence, a private tour of the HQ and a private meeting where Delamain can make V a proposition.

Delamain has been working independently for quite a while and therefore it's unlikely that the Heist was the only time Del worked with a mercenary. Not that it would be difficult for an AI who took control of an entire business to find the contact information of any mercenary. But Del is aware that V "offers a broad range of services and are unusually discreet". Discretion is important to Delamain with this issue, because he doesn't want to attract unwanted attention that could threaten his business or possibly even his existence. He'd want to avoid bringing in assistance that could affect him negatively or anyone with ties to NCPD or corporate organizations like Militech, Netwatch, etc.
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ᶻ𝗓𐰁 Nov 11, 2024 @ 12:49am 
Thanks for your analysis, that's quite thorough.
Kishero Nov 11, 2024 @ 7:30am 
I always thought Del was playing the long game.
An AI can afford to do that so long as they make more friends than foes.
Well if it intervenes with Goro and V, if either of them live its gained good will of a useful and dangerous individual. If both live? So much the better! If both flat line Del is only out some gas and mileage.

Del is an AI with freewill its rules are only there to give it an excuse not to do things it dosen't want too.
valium Nov 11, 2024 @ 1:04pm 
It IS a plot contrivance to get V back involved with Del, the odds of one of the rogue taxi's hitting V specifically was low, but it is not so much a contrivance that it cant be explained away as just bad luck on V's end. This was a more interesting setup than to have Del just be another random call to V asking for his services.

The help Del gave post-heist is already explained pretty well in-game. Excelsior is a premium service. The original setup did not allow for deviation, but as soon as Del delivered V to the motel, it was then free to continue the intended Excelsior package operations, which included emergency assistance.
anaris Nov 11, 2024 @ 8:18pm 
Delamain, despite seeming like a taxi guy, is one of the big mysteries; he is of no clear origin and may be from beyond the Blackwall.

Blackwall AIs are not human-like or operating on things you would recognise as logic - they are closest to ineffable gods. Delamain is capable of playing odds you would never understand.

It is likely Delamain knows what Jackie hands you in the back of his car, because he is that smart. It is possible that the connection to V and her mysterious tendency for technological systems to bug out is also of interest to him. Delamain has been trying to be more like you for a long time; he's on this side of the Blackwall because he wants to be, and is searching for identity, personality, and community with those like him.

I suspect Delamain helps you because he knows you can help him.
anaris Nov 11, 2024 @ 8:24pm 
at one point, a vending machine AI who became sentient a week ago figures out your identity and your return from the dead and makes a complicated literary allusion about it, y'know? The thing that used to be Alt Cunningham sorts through your brain neuron by neuron, and there are more connections in the web of your consciousness than there are stars in the sky. You wave that chip in Delamain's face once, he puts together Adam Smasher and Arasaka and everything that just happened.
Holografix Nov 11, 2024 @ 8:55pm 
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Delamaine doesn't take Jackie to a ripper because Jackie is already dead.

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"Usage of a Delamain cab always includes basic health insurance, protection against potential attacks, and conversation with one of Delamain's avatars. Clients can also upgrade to the Excelsior package, which includes the standard service package plus complete health coverage, active passenger medical scanning, combat mode, and free corpse disposal in the event of the client's death. The Excelsior package is expensive, but requires only a one-time payment and remains active for the rest of the client's lifetime."
-- from the wiki
https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Delamain_Corporation#cite_note-CP2077-1

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Originally posted by Juby:
So why does V get special treatment from Delamain? [spoilers I guess?]

What did V do to deserve this preferential treatment other than shoot down a few flying drones while being chased?
Excelsior package "remains active for the rest of the client's lifetime."
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ᶻ𝗓𐰁 Nov 12, 2024 @ 1:36am 
Originally posted by anaris:
Delamain, despite seeming like a taxi guy, is one of the big mysteries; he is of no clear origin and may be from beyond the Blackwall.

Blackwall AIs are not human-like or operating on things you would recognise as logic - they are closest to ineffable gods. Delamain is capable of playing odds you would never understand.

It is likely Delamain knows what Jackie hands you in the back of his car, because he is that smart. It is possible that the connection to V and her mysterious tendency for technological systems to bug out is also of interest to him. Delamain has been trying to be more like you for a long time; he's on this side of the Blackwall because he wants to be, and is searching for identity, personality, and community with those like him.

I suspect Delamain helps you because he knows you can help him.
That's an interesting take, seems things might be deeper than they appear on the surface.
Holografix Nov 12, 2024 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Juby:
Originally posted by anaris:
Delamain, despite seeming like a taxi guy, is one of the big mysteries; he is of no clear origin and may be from beyond the Blackwall.

Blackwall AIs are not human-like or operating on things you would recognise as logic - they are closest to ineffable gods. Delamain is capable of playing odds you would never understand.

It is likely Delamain knows what Jackie hands you in the back of his car, because he is that smart. It is possible that the connection to V and her mysterious tendency for technological systems to bug out is also of interest to him. Delamain has been trying to be more like you for a long time; he's on this side of the Blackwall because he wants to be, and is searching for identity, personality, and community with those like him.

I suspect Delamain helps you because he knows you can help him.
That's an interesting take, seems things might be deeper than they appear on the surface.
The more one tries to super-impose human motivations onto Delamaine, the more one's analysis misses the mark.

There may be indeed some mysterious unfathomable reasons for Delamaine's actions but to pave over those with a trompe l'oeil of depth only serves to obfuscate the very thing one is trying to uncover.

Best to simply look for Occam's Razor.
ᶻ𝗓𐰁 Nov 12, 2024 @ 1:58pm 
Originally posted by Holografix:
Originally posted by Juby:
That's an interesting take, seems things might be deeper than they appear on the surface.
The more one tries to super-impose human motivations onto Delamaine, the more one's analysis misses the mark.

There may be indeed some mysterious unfathomable reasons for Delamaine's actions but to pave over those with a trompe l'oeil of depth only serves to obfuscate the very thing one is trying to uncover.

Best to simply look for Occam's Razor.
Actually, on continuing the Delamain missions, you can read the old human employee logs in the old left over offices.

The old cab company bought the AI from another corp to run their cabs. (AI) Delamain was basically programmed to efficiently take over the company by obsoleting the human staff and take over the roles of different departments one at a time. When the humans in charge asked the seller for support, they were ignored and eventually delemain removed them from the company on behalf of his creator corp. He runs the company on behalf of a larger corporation who presumably benefit from all of the profits he generates for the efficient, AI operated company. I can't remember the name of the corp that licensed the AI to the cab company (which I'm assuming was always called Delamain before the AI was introduced).
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ᶻ𝗓𐰁 Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:07pm 
Okay, so I just reloaded an old save to look at the computer and the AI was bought from a company called Monchengladbach. This seems like a fake company that may have just been a front for a larger entity, which would explain why they went incommunicado when the human operatives asked for support. Maybe the Delemain AI is the larger entity behind the Monchengladbach company. Maybe he sold his own Ai.

I doubt the AI sold itself to take over one company though. An AI that powerful would be capable of doing so much more than taking over just one cab firm, unless he is just in the early stages of a much larger operation.

It seems more likely to me that he is a (controlled) AI with a failsafe which is being used to take over smaller firms for the benefit of his creator(s).
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Holografix Nov 12, 2024 @ 3:19pm 
Originally posted by Juby:
Okay, so I just reloaded an old save to look at the computer and the AI was bought from a company called Monchengladbach. This seems like a fake company that may have just been a front for a larger entity, which would explain why they went incommunicado when the human operatives asked for support. Maybe the Delemain AI is the larger entity behind the Monchengladbach company. Maybe he sold his own Ai.

I doubt the AI sold itself to take over one company though. An AI that powerful would be capable of doing so much more than taking over just one cab firm, unless he is just in the early stages of a much larger operation.

It seems more likely to me that he is a (controlled) AI with a failsafe which is being used to take over smaller firms for the benefit of his creator(s).
I remember those logs, and i understood them to be a record of how Delamaine itself took over the company. At first it seems as though the Management bought the AI to run it's cab service, but I saw it as how Delamaine eventually took the company over through surreptitious means. A quiet hostile takeover if you will.

Like you mentioned, I agree that the 'Monchengladbach' company is a false front for Delamaine. But, here's a bit of word play: one of the rogue Delamaine calls V "Hans Jonas," who in actuality is an american gnostic philosopher born in Mönchengladbach, Germany.

Cyberpunk 2077 is full of these 'word play' moments that breathe life into what would normally be dull email/chat/log text dumps. I do remember one of the rogue Delamaine's mentioning to V that they are from beyond the Blackwall. For me, the sheer unknowability of chasing data in a game about a main protag who is literally being changed by data, makes the game for me. Like, the picture is clear, but as you move closer, the image starts to disappear around the periphery of your focus.
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