will the next cyberpunk game be first person only again?

[CyberWire]

will the next cyberpunk game be first person only again? anyone know?

[Draconifors]

Disclaimer: Everything in this post is a personal opinion, and based on subjective views.


If I were to guess, I'd say that if the next Cyberpunk game has a custom main character like this game, it's likely to be in first person. If not, then it's likely to be in third person.

To elaborate: when you get to create a custom main character (e.g. in this game), you're better able to play as whom you want, and therefore it makes more sense to have the game in first person (because real life is in first person). Yeah, I know, the exact opposite of what many TPP-requesters say; again, this is my opinion.
When you don't get to create a custom character (e.g. in the Witcher series), you're simply controlling the player character rather than really playing as them, and so third person makes just as much sense as first person.

While the sample size is far, far too small for any scientifically valid conclusions, the fact is that CDPR have never made a custom-character game in third person or a predetermined-character game in first person.

I don't see a world where they would implement both perspectives, because it's better to have everything built around one perspective -- whichever it may be -- than try to make two perspectives equally good. I doubt anyone wants one great and one subpar perspective.

[Zero McDol]

Originally posted by Draconifors:

Disclaimer: Everything in this post is a personal opinion, and based on subjective views.


If I were to guess, I'd say that if the next Cyberpunk game has a custom main character like this game, it's likely to be in first person. If not, then it's likely to be in third person.

To elaborate: when you get to create a custom main character (e.g. in this game), you're better able to play as whom you want, and therefore it makes more sense to have the game in first person (because real life is in first person). Yeah, I know, the exact opposite of what many TPP-requesters say; again, this is my opinion.
When you don't get to create a custom character (e.g. in the Witcher series), you're simply controlling the player character rather than really playing as them, and so third person makes just as much sense as first person.

While the sample size is far, far too small for any scientifically valid conclusions, the fact is that CDPR have never made a custom-character game in third person or a predetermined-character game in first person.

I don't see a world where they would implement both perspectives, because it's better to have everything built around one perspective -- whichever it may be -- than try to make two perspectives equally good. I doubt anyone wants one great and one subpar perspective.

I agree, however, and this is just my opinion as well, and perspective from playing games for over 20 years:

Playing a named character is never going to feel as immersive as playing as a unnammed or namable character. The reason why for me, is the due to fact that even a prenamed character will never be your character. Even in games like Final Fantasy VII for the PS1, it works out because you can at least name your character (or use the default Cloud name). Yet in Final Fantasy Tactics, I valued creating and naming a extra character as my own, far more than playing is the main character, as it was more interesting to have my named character fight alongside the main character.

For me, it's been far more interesting to be able to name my characters over the years vs customize my character. In Cyberpunk 2077's case, it's far worse, because the game is constantly reminding the player that it's not their character, by constantly calling you V or even V's full name at times, plus ignoring the player's choices at times. It's jarring and immersion breaking for me.

So basically, first person, third person, nor even customization don't matter to me -> so long as I can at least name my character and choose the gender.

Beyond that, customization is merely a bonus. I bite the bullet on Cyberpunk 2077's V, but generally, I don't play games that don't allow me to at least name my character and choose my gender.

[Tokenn]

IMO the Cyberpunk Orion sequel will resemble the current game in a lot of ways, and I hope that 1st person is the default view for the game. Having said that, I do hope that Orion gives us a lot more opportunities to see the character we spend so much time crafting. Perhaps someone with experience playing UE5 games can tell us more about what's possible with that engine?

[Dollex=ponzi]

1st person better imo.

[Nar!]

I like that it's 1st person view too. It makes it so much more personal and in a huge open world game with very high vertical buildings, I also feel much more immersed in it.
I do appreciate being able to go 3rd person when driving or riding around though. I think that was a good call, for the sake of combat while driving.

What I'd like to see is more of, is my character creation in more cut scenes and reflections.
I noticed other players would get excited when they see their V in cut scenes like in the different endings. I would like to see more of those throughout the game.

[Suchy]

Originally posted by Nar!:

I like that it's 1st person view too. It makes it so much more personal and in a huge open world game with very high vertical buildings, I also feel much more immersed in it.
I do appreciate being able to go 3rd person when driving or riding around though. I think that was a good call, for the sake of combat while driving.

What I'd like to see is more of, is my character creation in more cut scenes and reflections.
I noticed other players would get excited when they see their V in cut scenes like in the different endings. I would like to see more of those throughout the game.

I agree.

[Ministry Of Wrath]

deductive reasoning mixed with some old media for the game gave the expectation of third person perspective is understandable and logical, that expectation was wrong regarding the final product sure, a few iterations of game before had it, it was in development hell after all



I didn't find anything other than this articles claiming it, by third party media outlets they talked about it along with a game tester, but nothing officially found from devs or the publisher, though supposedly some of it was corrected, I remember reading about it years ago.

https://www.thegamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-originally-meant-to-be-third-person/

people who argue for one perspective over the other do so out of spite or fear they'll water down one perspectives experience for the other, and that isn't true at all, unless its a dev problem it isn't a perspective problem. they lost sails from from the first for going FPS only, just like loads of FP only people played GTA 5 due to the switch, I can see that happening with TP in the next cyberpunk.

And the impact of the ending showing V makes a lot of people including me lament the fact it never had a real third person mode, or that a lot of the cinematic action wasn't third person.

that being said on another note, FP mode for the next witcher would be a good move as well in that regard, not everyone likes TP, with the dev work they're about to put in, and the new tools they've released for unreal 5, it would be far easier to do now.

[zpc]

Originally posted by Az:

Originally posted by Fret 𐎣𐎡𐎠𐎵𐎡:

I hope so.

Playing in 3rd person never feels as immersive. I also love being able to see my weapons, katanas, hands, guns, etc, all up close and personal. Just not the same in 3rd person.

Skyrim has first and third person. CDPR can do something similar.

Indeed - this is the way to go. They could define first-person still as the "default" one - but it has to be possible to play in third-person as well.

The main problem of Cyberpunk 2077 is that we have a lot of viusal customization options for the character - but it doesn't really matter as we almost never see it [in action]. At the ~very least~ they have to introduce [a lot] more cinematics where the player character is shown. Be it [optional] killcams / takedowns shown in third person or dialogues / animation scenes (entering / exiting cars, shops, trains) or "mission briefing" cam views showing the character / team geared up or right before "boss fights" or at "summary moments" when [bigger] mission end and V is calling the client back.

Heck, in Deus Ex [Mankind Divided] - which has no customization options (not counting the armor/coat swaps) I see more of Adam Jenson in the first mission then I see V in the whole game in Cyberpunk 2077 (which is only in those very rare "mirror scenes").

The whole "immersive argument" for first-person only is a bad one IMHO - because it also annihilates a lot of immersion because of the lack not seeing the own character. This is especially important as a good portion of the game is used by the player to customize the character. Photomode is a very poor substitute for that and therefore doesn't count.

[CyberWire]

Originally posted by dragon15:

they first have to learn how to make a proper first person gameplay
hell, for 6 months after release your had a very weird sleep animation that became meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Eh8uAQSZA

pretty standard sleeping to me XD

[zpc]

Originally posted by dragon15:

they first have to learn how to make a proper first person gameplay
hell, for 6 months after release your had a very weird sleep animation that became meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Eh8uAQSZA

While funny and all - I used sleep since release maybe 10 times (which translates to 5 playthroughs without DLC and 4 with DLC). So it's a very minor thing - most of the first-person gameplay (as in those parts the player uses most like combat and movement) they nailed pretty good IMHO. Melee combat is escpecially a lot of fun with all the movement options.

Still, third-person is needed. To point out again the best-of-two-worlds example mentioned earlier - in Skyrim I use both views equally often. Third-person is for exploring, role-playing, immersion, mechanics (using melee) and first-person I use for role-playing, immersion, mechanics (using bows).

[CyberWire]

Originally posted by zpc:

Originally posted by dragon15:

they first have to learn how to make a proper first person gameplay
hell, for 6 months after release your had a very weird sleep animation that became meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Eh8uAQSZA

While funny and all - I used sleep since release maybe 10 times (which translates to 5 playthroughs without DLC and 4 with DLC). So it's a very minor thing - most of the first-person gameplay (as in those parts the player uses most like combat and movement) they nailed pretty good IMHO. Melee combat is escpecially a lot of fun with all the movement options.

Still, third-person is needed. To point out again the best-of-two-worlds example mentioned earlier - in Skyrim I use both views equally often. Third-person is for exploring, role-playing, immersion, mechanics (using melee) and first-person I use for role-playing, immersion, mechanics (using bows).

agree completely, most games that offer both I tend to use both forms equally throughout the playthrough for different types of combat especially (ranged vs melee).