David vs V, who would win?

[Chenni]

Peak David on the anime, vs "peak" V (i.e. max level, epic quick hacks, cyberware, weapon).

Do you think V has a chance against David?

On the anime, David's Sandi seems to be even faster than the one we have in game. On the other hand, emp grenade or a netrunner V could easily make short work of something like David.

[Markus Reese]

The smasher we see in the Anime is considerably more beefed up, but then again, end mission David is also a specialty character.

Consideration of level is a factor too. Was David a lvl 60? It was also a pre 2.0 David. So now there is level scaling :3 Thing is his capabilities are not really ventured into to much because there is that time skip. We need to consider that he is living in the apartment that V is if you get the legend ending. In canon and in game, he is considered a 'legend'

Also, relying on the Sande? Not that different than most players who rely on a one trick pony. Imagine if the AI had a convenient line pointing to exactly where you were and then were able to sandy rush the player like the player could. We be spoiled with our netrunning.

Sometimes I am disappointed the enemy netrunners are so bad.

[vile]

Originally posted by Markus Reese:

The smasher we see in the Anime is considerably more beefed up, but then again, end mission David is also a specialty character.

Consideration of level is a factor too. Was David a lvl 60? It was also a pre 2.0 David. So now there is level scaling :3 Thing is his capabilities are not really ventured into to much because there is that time skip. We need to consider that he is living in the apartment that V is if you get the legend ending. In canon and in game, he is considered a 'legend'

Also, relying on the Sande? Not that different than most players who rely on a one trick pony. Imagine if the AI had a convenient line pointing to exactly where you were and then were able to sandy rush the player like the player could. We be spoiled with our netrunning.

Sometimes I am disappointed the enemy netrunners are so bad.

The Smasher we see in the anime is the exact same Smasher fought in game. It's only a year later. He's only considered a legend because he died in spectacular fashion. My Netrunner fries Sandevistan users before they get anywhere close to him. Did you forget scanning dilates time as well?

David is nowhere near V's level. The simple fact that he got torn apart by someone V kills is argument enough.

[Markus Reese]

Scanning dialates time, but my point was that a discussion like this is do we view it like a player V fighting an NPC David in game? Or a lore vs lore fight with the same rules? If we think in terms of a pvp situation, a netrunner build without element of surprise would be at a distinct disadvantage. The benefit the players get of instantly being able to trace a hack, whereas enemy cannot.

Plus in lore, the hacking power V has in game is pretty much impossible without a chair, let alone without cooling.

Lore Smasher is far superior to game smasher for example as well.

So if we view it from a level playing field for 2.0, David would be a Tech/body build for time dialation and power weapons. Hence it would depend on build and the combat. A V that could beat David would have to be in an indirect specializing in stealth and take him down unawares, or a reflex build for dash/dodge.

My legend comment was also that as a merc, was on top before the fight with Smasher.

I am considering pre full body conversion David. Post full body would be something that would destroy a V. This precedence is set because there are things that can significantly outmatch V in game still.

[vile]

Originally posted by Markus Reese:

Scanning dialates time, but my point was that a discussion like this is do we view it like a player V fighting an NPC David in game?

.. an NPC David. Why would it be anything but? David lived and died under specific parameters and with specific abilities. Making up other ones to "scale" them up to V is pointless.

Originally posted by Markus Reese:

So if we view it from a level playing field for 2.0.

I have no idea why you would look at it like this.

Lore Smasher is Cyberpunk Smasher.

The strongest David lost to Adam Smasher, badly. Endgame V annihilates Smasher. End of discussion.

[Markus Reese]

There are two different Adam Smashers though. Anime Adam Smasher is not the same as game Adam Smasher. So an anime V would be different than game V.

As such, not end of discussion. Nay, it is just the beginning as we have to consider that the V we play as is spoiled because the opposition is so incompetent and not making use of abilities they actually have effectively.

Player V is protected by plot armors such as inhalers that heal all wounds and other game mechanics.

Plus we need to consider that David had fought off an entire Militech battlegroup, an Arasaka recovery team, plus maxtac and then having to deal with adam smasher too.

Which once more brings out the question, how well would game V be able to fight an anime Smasher.

[vile]

Originally posted by Markus Reese:

There are two different Adam Smashers though. Anime Adam Smasher is not the same as game Adam Smasher. So an anime V would be different than game V.

As such, not end of discussion. Nay, it is just the beginning as we have to consider that the V we play as is spoiled because the opposition is so incompetent and not making use of abilities they actually have effectively.

Player V is protected by plot armors such as inhalers that heal all wounds and other game mechanics.

Plus we need to consider that David had fought off an entire Militech battlegroup, an Arasaka recovery team, plus maxtac and then having to deal with adam smasher too.

Which once more brings out the question, how well would game V be able to fight an anime Smasher.

Your arguments are disingenuous and all over the place. I made my point, I won't be engaging this further. No point in repeating myself.

[Aleera]

V most likely.

David unlike what Smasher claimed was quite special and powerful in his way. David never reached his peak, being merely a 18 year old with very little experience. Who got to use tech he never got used too, suffering from psychosis, while trying to save Lucy.

V is a impossibility. Doesn't suffer from psychosis no matter how much you get chromed. Doesn't need any time to adjust and learn their new chrome.

The whole David < Smasher < V comparison is one that's a fallacy in of itself.
Anime Smasher showcases far more raw power, skill, speed, intelligence then game Smasher does. In the anime Smasher feels like a threat. Game Smasher gets hyped up, but never feels like a threat except for the time he chases you in the Delamain. Which last how long?

If we faced the anime Smasher ingame, he would be a unbeatable boss acting as a plot narrative.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Rianne:

The whole David < Smasher < V comparison is one that's a fallacy in of itself.
Anime Smasher showcases far more raw power, skill, speed, intelligence then game Smasher does. In the anime Smasher feels like a threat. Game Smasher gets hyped up, but never feels like a threat except for the time he chases you in the Delamain. Which last how long?

If we faced the anime Smasher ingame, he would be a unbeatable boss acting as a plot narrative.

Anime Smasher is so powerful because it's an anime, everyone is over the top powerful in anime. Anime Smasher and Game Smasher are canonically the same power level it's just portrayed differently because of the different medium.

If we're pitting V against anime Smasher then we need to amp up V to anime levels too, and anime V would beat anime Smasher with ease. Just like if David were to be put in the game he would be portrayed as less OTT despite canonically being the same power level in both and thus game David would still get wrecked by game Smasher.

[MaxPrimal]

Who cares. it is not REAL!

[Kyrandos]

Yeah but no way V could take wolverine if wolverine had time to plan

[Atomsk]

Did they say which Sandevistan version David's mom klept?

Regardless I don't think its as advanced as Apogee which is basically a Militech relic.

[NoMetaInfo]

fun fact the Sandevistan in game now, the Apogee is stated to be the exact model David uses in the anime.

[Paulie]

Game mechanics in no way affect this fight. lore however does. David is inexperienced and easily loses focus. V on the other hand by game's end has alot more experience, has dealt with alot more clutch situations, and is generally more focused. in every ending except for Reed's, V fights and defeats adam. V > David.

[Markus Reese]

Originally posted by vile:

Originally posted by Markus Reese:

There are two different Adam Smashers though. Anime Adam Smasher is not the same as game Adam Smasher. So an anime V would be different than game V.

As such, not end of discussion. Nay, it is just the beginning as we have to consider that the V we play as is spoiled because the opposition is so incompetent and not making use of abilities they actually have effectively.

Player V is protected by plot armors such as inhalers that heal all wounds and other game mechanics.

Plus we need to consider that David had fought off an entire Militech battlegroup, an Arasaka recovery team, plus maxtac and then having to deal with adam smasher too.

Which once more brings out the question, how well would game V be able to fight an anime Smasher.

Your arguments are disingenuous and all over the place. I made my point, I won't be engaging this further. No point in repeating myself.

Then don't. My argument was just making several factors based on accounting for the variances between the anime and the game to consider what is not shown and this form of scaling/mis-scaling.

"But V beats Adam Smasher" isn't much of an argument because the Adam smasher in our game is weak and easy.

[Shibubs]

V is far better in canon than David.
Similar in how they ended up where they were but V far surpasses David and because of the way we play our character V, is a Solo.

Like Morgan Blackhand for example. Is considered a Solo's "Solo".
They work better alone but of course can be seen working with others depending on the situation. Very independent however. Morgan is known to not kill his targets at all but to incapacitate them.