David vs V, who would win?

[Chenni]

Peak David on the anime, vs "peak" V (i.e. max level, epic quick hacks, cyberware, weapon).

Do you think V has a chance against David?

On the anime, David's Sandi seems to be even faster than the one we have in game. On the other hand, emp grenade or a netrunner V could easily make short work of something like David.

[Nope]

Publicado originalmente por EJR:

If the canon says V beat Smasher then that's fine, he was an obstacle you have to get pass to save yourself. But whether the fight was boring or impossible you can still complain that such a fight was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if the devs failed to make it feel memorable. Doesn't even need to be a fight, just needs to be an encounter.

It's like the Sequel trilogy of Star Wars. Yes, we acknowledge (Often reluctantly) that it's canon, but we still complain about it being written poorly.

What you essentially do is complain on the gameplay part, not the writing which would depicted the entire thing very differently during every fight
So again, gameplay depictions aren’t always story depictions

V won against Adam is canon despite it boring gameplay fight

[Friends with Benedicts]

Publicado originalmente por Gökyüzü:

David cant even stand a chance againt V because unlike David V is imune to cyberpsycosis thanks to Johnys Relic. Even if you kill him V will also come back to life for another round. Also unlike David V is litterly doing everything alone

thats kind of a huge miss of C2077. Its clear they knew gigs should be done by a team, as Johnny's memmories have pretty clear roles, you have a netrunner, a media, a solo and a rockerboy...

Those of us who played pnp Cyberpunk and other games like Shadowrun know how each run is basically you teamming up and using your skills in your favor... A get away driver, a tech specialist, maybe someone for demolition, a medic... Its all about making that synergistic comp that will work in your favor.

I feel like they knew that, but they werent able to achieve it. Maybe higher ups felt that it wasnt necessary for a sucessful game, because witcher 3 didnt had anything like that, neither skyrim so why any RPG should innovate and use their source material? Nah, lets announce multiplayer for Cyberpunk2077. That'll get em, a live service.

[Markus Reese]

Just because beat smasher does not mean is stronger because that makes the assumption that it is the same fight. However we do not see the same level of combat effectiveness from him like from the anime.

In actuality, if we do not consider mitigating factors? DeShawn is stronger than V. And Takemura is stronger than DeShawn making Takemura the top dog.

[Friends with Benedicts]

Publicado originalmente por Markus Reese:

Just because beat smasher does not mean is stronger because that makes the assumption that it is the same fight. However we do not see the same level of combat effectiveness from him like from the anime.

In actuality, if we do not consider mitigating factors? DeShawn is stronger than V. And Takemura is stronger than DeShawn making Takemura the top dog.

the cinematic story telling of cyberpunk 2077 is very counter intuitive with your gameplay.

I get deshawn and his goon overwhelming me by force when Im the tech gun V or the Netrunner V, but the Gorilla Arms Fully Cyberwared 20 Body V makes no sense.

A huge let down of cdpr in a whole. These situations are exactly the ones that should play differently based on your dude.

[Jason]

Publicado originalmente por Markus Reese:

I get deshawn and his goon overwhelming me by force when Im the tech gun V or the Netrunner V, but the Gorilla Arms Fully Cyberwared 20 Body V makes no sense.

A huge let down of cdpr in a whole. These situations are exactly the ones that should play differently based on your dude.

How do you get 17 levels and Gorilla Arms straight out of Arasaka Tower?

Publicado originalmente por Markus Reese:

Just because beat smasher does not mean is stronger because that makes the assumption that it is the same fight. However we do not see the same level of combat effectiveness from him like from the anime.

His combat effectiveness is reduced in game for balancing purposes. However in terms of game lore he is as strong, if not stronger than the anime considering the Smasher we fight is in the future. We know he is just as strong in the game lore wise due to his reputation. And considering being killed by Smasher results in a game over screen, we can assume V beating Smasher is a canonical event.

Making an enemy beatable in game does not negate the story, you see this in games all the time, in Sekiro, you could "beat" the tutorial boss, but the story is set up so you would canonically lose despite beating him either way. If Smasher was intended to be stronger than V, you would see a cutscene of Smasher demolishing you after beating him in game.

[Markus Reese]

And that is where I love theorycrafting for games. Separating the literal interpretation and look at what is embellishment. Like games repairing stuff with just a wrench. Representative of something more to actually do that.

HP and Stamina is just an embellishment for purposes of gameplay. We could more assume missions would be slower, more tactical. Heals are temp boosters but when done, V takes a break, gets maintenance and fixes more critical damage. Eat, sleep, etc.

So in the notell hotel, by the time the mission is done, V is exhausted and at limits no matter the build. Bodyguard is ripped so that hit prones anybody.

Narratively, it would have been interesting if player had a low level cap before the Relic.

[Markus Reese]

Oh, the level question? Just running around doing act 1 missions and fighting random gangers.

Theoretically, you can hit level 60 before the tower by grinding. Even easier now with scaled enemies. I usually have cyber arms and like lvl 20+ before the tower just from running around.

[Dragon Master]

How do you get 17 levels and Gorilla Arms straight out of Arasaka Tower?

It's really easy to get that before Arasoka tower. Just do the NCPD popups and the gigs.

[Friends with Benedicts]

Publicado originalmente por Jason:

How do you get 17 levels and Gorilla Arms straight out of Arasaka Tower?

I always go arasaka after lvl 10, easy to farm with gigs around town.

Happened to have a ton of fun with gorilla arms and went ballistic with it. So much so that after getting into PL dlc the fun was worn out. I killed what felt like 100 guards outside dogtown and dropped donw the save. Mah dude was already insane and the fight strategy of rounding enemies in a corner or somewhere where I can close quarters their pants equals guaranteed win.

Created another save with weapons so I could try the game again with a different approach.

[Friends with Benedicts]

Publicado originalmente por Markus Reese:

Even easier now with scaled enemies. I usually have cyber arms and like lvl 20+ before the tower just from running around.

Exaclty. Grinding was really hard before level scaling. Now it feels like every level takes the same amount of time to grind, so getting from 1 to 10 = 10 to 19. Same amount of grind. Hence why Im doing simul-runs

[Air Raider]

Well if David was in the game to fight V he would be a massive damage sponge along with absurd damage but V would be able to stunlock him by spamming melee and grenades.

[Gearhart]

Publicado originalmente por Draconifors:

Haven't seen the anime, have zero interest in ever seeing the anime (or any other anime).

Video game >>>>>>> anime, both in general and in regards to characters.

Edgerunners if phenomenal if you like 2077 your doing yourself a disservice by not watching it.

[Sammarok-GoodGaming]

Obviously V is stronger, so V wins.

[Paulie]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell this is still going on? statistically, V wins just about every single matchup. Everyone on here acting like David's Apogee sandevistan is the only sandy that has an 80% speed modifier that can be fired at will. episode 6 you see a Maelstrommer brute who has at least a 60% sandevistan that David almost got clapped by. Final point; Unless Phantom Liberty is the true canonical ending of CP2077, V DEFEATS SMASHER IN EVERY ENDING.

[Markus Reese]

...Only because V has psychic precognitive abilities and the relic removes every physical shortcoming of the human body, grand rapid regeneration to near immortality status and it programmed her with combat skills exceeding the most highly trained combat forces on the planet.

...Or was just born that way?

Yes, it is canonical max V beat Smasher.

But doesnt mean that a maxed out V could necessarily beat pre full conversion David when the rules of the story universe are factored in.

Else Dexter Deshawn is more powerful than V. And Takamura more powerful than Deshawn.