Best Game, change my mind?

[Henry]

Esspecially with Phantom Liberty, Cyberpunk 2077 is probably the best game I've played so far. Definitely the best open world game. The quests, the characters, the story, the gameplay, the music. Even the sidequests feel like main quests. No fetch quests. The graphics. It's all just great. I know it came out as a buggy mess but right now I am very impressed. I don't think I've had a better gaming experience.

[Bogmore]

There are quite a few small bugs that tend to distract me, floating NPCs, cars and items mostly.

[TheSmilingDoom]

I don't wanna "change your mind", if you like it that much than good for you. I don't agree, however. The game has aspects that I absolutely love, but it also has quite a bunch a flaws and in contrast to many others apparently I'm not a big fan CDPR's storytelling, so it comes down to a 7/10 for me - hardly the best ever.

[Georgion]

I can say I was never into a game so much maybe for almost 20 years. Maybe KotOR comes close, nothing else comes close, not even Mass Effect or Witcher. Im 35 old guy and I no lifed every weekend since 2.0, play every evening and cant get enough. I love Cyberpunk.

[Henry]

Originally posted by Bogmore:

There are quite a few small bugs that tend to distract me, floating NPCs, cars and items mostly.

Yap, seen em, but rarely right? Given the amount of npc's active at the same time I can overlook rare immersion breakers. If you'd have to name a better game, in context of all that Cyberpunk has to offer, Which wouid you pick? The quest with the 2 idiot policemen was a straight up comedy gig, The Lina Malina quest was also hilarious and those were just side quests. The overall quality of the whole package is probably the best I've ever played. Do you know any better ones that come to mind?

[Tex ArCana]

*Ahem* The writing and "world size" in Witcher 3 is better imo.
While I haven't bought Phantom Liberty yet, I'm underwhelmed by the writing and the scope of Cyberpunk when compared to Witcher 3.
I'd also mention that with all the "Bells and Whistles" that the graphics are supposed to allow for, Witcher 3's visuals are just as wonderful (If not more so. Because one didn't have to spend the kind of money that the most recent generations of GPU'S cost. The rig I ran Witcher 3 on cost nearly the same as what my present GPU cost).

[Henry]

Originally posted by Georgion:

I can say I was never into a game so much maybe for almost 20 years. Maybe KotOR comes close, nothing else comes close, not even Mass Effect or Witcher. Im 35 old guy and I no lifed every weekend since 2.0, play every evening and cant get enough. I love Cyberpunk.

Yeah, it's always "just one more gig" right? I finished phantom liberty on hard yesterday, That showdown at the end, I can hardly come up with examples of better storytelling.

[Henry]

Originally posted by TheSmilingDoom:

I don't wanna "change your mind", if you like it that much than good for you. I don't agree, however. The game has aspects that I absolutely love, but it also has quite a bunch a flaws and in contrast to many others apparently I'm not a big fan CDPR's storytelling, so it comes down to a 7/10 for me - hardly the best ever.

Oki-doki.

[Henry]

Originally posted by Tex ArCana:

*Ahem* The writing and "world size" in Witcher 3 is better imo.
While I haven't bought Phantom Liberty yet, I'm underwhelmed by the writing and the scope of Cyberpunk when compared to Witcher 3.
I'd also mention that with all the "Bells and Whistles" that the graphics are supposed to allow for, Witcher 3's visuals are just as wonderful (If not more so. Because one didn't have to spend the kind of money that the most recent generations of GPU'S cost. The rig I ran Witcher 3 on cost nearly the same as what my present GPU cost).

Yeah, can't compare, I haven't played Witcher 3 because I want a self made character. But I do hear it's great.

[ignis]

It is meh. Really shallow as RPG. Voodoo Boys are right - V is a dirt rag, unable to make any choice. The roleplay is limited to adding some stat-gated remark which in 95% of cases leads nowhere and ability to ditch a side job. Otherwise it is a movie with shooter elemenst between cutscenes. I can count cases when V can actually do somethign isntead of letting another NPC ♥♥♥♥ all over 'em on one hand. Otherwise attempts to do anything but listen and obey usually ends with another lecture or cutscene loss.

Worth playing once probably, but I don't see any replay value. Definitely not want to slog through endless cutscenes (you can skip parts of them but there is still way too much you have sit through).

Oh, also technical state is abyssmal even after 3 years of patches.

[EricHVela]

Different genres have different bests. I'm one of those who move between which genre fits my current mood.

(I've always been this way for all kinds of entertainment as far as I can remember in my just-over-a-half-a-century life on this planet.)

What's best today for me might not be the best for me tomorrow.

Currently, I'm dividing my time between three very different games, and I'm greatly enjoying all three of them. CP'77 is one of those.

If I were to change your mind, I'd ask if there are other genres that you favor at other times. If not, then you'll find the one you enjoy the most, and that's fine, but nobody will be able to change your mind, then.

[Henry]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Different genres have different bests. I'm one of those who move between which genre fits my current mood.

(I've always been this way for all kinds of entertainment as far as I can remember in my just-over-a-half-a-century life on this planet.)

What's best today for me might not be the best for me tomorrow.

Currently, I'm dividing my time between three very different games, and I'm greatly enjoying all three of them. CP'77 is one of those.

If I were to change your mind, I'd ask if there are other genres that you favor at other times. If not, then you'll find the one you enjoy the most, and that's fine, but nobody will be able to change your mind, then.

Two games that gave me a lasting experience were FF7 remake integrade and Nier: Automata. Nier has a very unique beauty but the side quests are very bad. The two Nintendo 64 Zelda games when I was a kid. Can't think of any more right now. Oh, Mass Effect. But I can point out annoying flaws in pretty much all of these that Cyberpunk doesn't have.

I'm talking about the overall experience regardless of game type. Some games have good gameplay but bad story, others the other way around, often I'm just furious at how devs made an overall gem but left very irritating elements in a game that would otherwise be awesome. Cyberpunk though. Story, world, music, gameplay etc. I can't think of any better.

"Change my mind" was more of an opener than a challenge.

[Graf Erik]

I dont think you can define a best game overall. How would you even compare CP to Civilization and Rimworld. Different game, different genre.

But you can of course compare CP to other open world rpgs, and imho it is upon the two best ever made there (together with Kingdom Come Deliverance). Really hard to say which is better.
I used to say there are the top three with The Witcher 3 up there, but honestly after my second CP playthrough I made another TW3 round (after that new gen update) and I really couldnt help to see that CP and TW3 are extremly simillar games and CP has improved on many of the small issues that TW3 always had.
(dont get me wrong TW3 is still a solid #3 for best rpgs of all times, but CP is better imho)

[PanPan]

I agree it might be the best game i ever played but not the best on everything.

Aesthetic ++
Graphics ++
Immersion ++
Story telling ++
Gameplay ++

Map/Freedom --
Driving --
Progression/leveling/crafting --
Replayablity --

Still playing GTA or Forza Horizon...

[Illuminary]

Originally posted by Henry:

Esspecially with Phantom Liberty, Cyberpunk 2077 is probably the best game I've played so far. Definitely the best open world game. The quests, the characters, the story, the gameplay, the music. Even the sidequests feel like main quests. No fetch quests. The graphics. It's all just great. I know it came out as a buggy mess but right now I am very impressed. I don't think I've had a better gaming experience.

You have very low standards then. Game is even more a buggy mess than it was at base, after all that time it took to improve it.

[Simple Man]

Originally posted by TheSmilingDoom:

I don't wanna "change your mind", if you like it that much than good for you. I don't agree, however. The game has aspects that I absolutely love, but it also has quite a bunch a flaws and in contrast to many others apparently I'm not a big fan CDPR's storytelling, so it comes down to a 7/10 for me - hardly the best ever.

I'll gladly join this boat empty as it might be, least going by the bias on these boards that deem everything a 10/10.

Games nice, ive returned 3 or 4 times over the years to check on patches, visuals paired with no loading screens can make for a decent background to mod and immerse yourself in for a period, but thats all she wrote.

Game continues too buggy even in 2.02, plenty of systems continue to not work or are straight missing, im reloading for fun because stuff stops working, story telling and writing ranges from decent (evelyn parkers arc, the insights into arasaka, Takemura, Sandayu Oda, Hanako, devils ending, or Wakako, Dorsett, Peralez mission) to subpar, all of nomads, "romances", to downright awful / send help, all the goofy and "humorous" missions like people getting shocked in the nuts, or "im such a badass" bar robbery, helping some guy at his food stand, nomads v scavs where again "do you even know who i am bro?" fanfic kicks in. Adam Smasher was completely glossed over, in 2077 its a "boss" to be hit like a pinata, sad times.

Some VAs range between inconsistent and pretty bad. Panam, Claire, Saul, the guy from "big in japan" changes voices during the mission and nobody cared, Keanu Reeves dialogue delivery is the most deadpan i think i've ever seen, might work in John Wick but not here. Jackie was 10x the VA, and his chippin in jokes were so bad they became good.

7/10 seems fitting. Outside graphics, Mass Effect trilogy is leagues ahead of this, and so is the Witcher 2 and 3.