2.0 Skill Tree feels worse than 1.6

[Strider1]

For sandevistan / katana playstyle that I loved so much (I spent 40 hours through the story to level up and get all the right materials and cyberware and equipment for it). The skill tree is literally inferior. What you were capable of before is so much better in 1.6 than in 2.0. Let me explain. I will only use the Katana tree for this example.

1.6 gave you attack speed bonuses, stamina reduction on katana attacks, health when applying bleed status, movement speed buffs and health on kill, crit chance and additional bleed chance, bleeding duration increase, bleeding stack, 100% damage on max-health targets. 3% increase in damage with every 1% health missing on enemy health... Not to mention the benefit of the ENTIRE COLD BLOODED HEALTH TREE ON TOP OF THIS...

2.0 is extremely interesting on paper but very underwhelming in practice. Instead of making you feel like an overleveled LEGENDARY SOLO you just end up feeling like a cyberpunk grunt.

2.0's katana tree gives you the underwhelming benefits of: Slightly decreased attacks with blades(still costs a lot of stamina), bullet blocking (cool but I'm not gonna deflect a bullet, I'm slowing down time and slashing everyone within a mile during that time), slightly increased damage, deflecting bullets when time is slowed doesn't consume stamina (useless), enemies are more susceptible to stagger, stun, blinding, or bleeding (literally not seeing any of this in a dedicated katana build which requires heavy commitment to even get this perk in the first place... all for nothing), a Finisher (leaves you vulnerable, no health bonus or invulnerability), all attacks, counter attacks, and deflected bullets cause bleeding (no ♥♥♥♥ you could get this so easily in like the first couple katana tree abilities.)

1.6 let you generalize and be sorta good at everything. 2.0 requires you to specialize in a playstyle that doesn't even grant you amazing benefits. Sure, before in 1.6 you couldn't benefit from crazy katana abilities that were complete overkill. But that's how it's supposed to make you feel. in 2.0 you feel like you're constantly challenged and on level with every other enemy. You're forced to play smarter... This is Cyberpunk. You don't play fair.

These changes feel terrible to play. This is a singleplayer game. Why am I getting nerfed choosing to play how I want? It's a damn video game for crying out loud man. What am I missing here? Honestly?

tl;dr the new skill trees are in no way improvements and only provide negligible/situational benefits despite the massive commitment if you want to specialize in a certain playstyle.

This doesn't even begin to cover how sandevistans are changed. I like being able to disable it but the fact you can't modify the cooldown with MODIFICATIONS ruins it all for me.

I should be able to walk around like a cyberdemon. Not play by everyone else's rules.

[Crix]

No way. Not for me. I never really played this since release and it's a night and day difference. Bravo CDPR.

[DaylightDemon]

they removed power from the skilltree and moved it to the other systems. also they prevented builds that had more than 10 times the power you would need to oneshot everything. id say thats pretty dope.

[Strider1]

Originally posted by DaylightDemon:

they removed power from the skilltree and moved it to the other systems. also they prevented builds that had more than 10 times the power you would need to oneshot everything. id say thats pretty dope.

i didn't vote for this, why am i forced to comply. i want to enjoy the new content with how i built my character during the story. this makes no sense. I don't want the new skill tree.

[5ean5ean]

Definately a huge nerf but its just something we have to adapt to. Its a different game.

[vile]

Couldn't disagree more. I'm level 41 with the new Sandevistan running a full blades build and I'm literally a god. Bullet deflect is required even with time frozen because enemies use Sandys too. Instead of just popping the two second sandy and killing everything effortlessly you actually have to engage with the mechanics.

It's still incredibly easy, but it's way more dynamic and fun and I feel just as strong as I did in 1.63. If anything, the ability to toggle the Sandevistan effect on and off is even better than the broken build previously and you don't have to sink a ton of perk points into crafting to get it.

[Minti]

Originally posted by Strider1:

Originally posted by DaylightDemon:

they removed power from the skilltree and moved it to the other systems. also they prevented builds that had more than 10 times the power you would need to oneshot everything. id say thats pretty dope.

i didn't vote for this, why am i forced to comply. i want to enjoy the new content with how i built my character during the story. this makes no sense. I don't want the new skill tree.

Then downgrade your game to the old version. You can set it yourself to 1.63 via the Beta tab and selecting Legacy 1.63 version.

[Criminal Scum]

You are not forced to do anything. Just uninstall the game and play something else

Originally posted by Strider1:

Originally posted by DaylightDemon:

they removed power from the skilltree and moved it to the other systems. also they prevented builds that had more than 10 times the power you would need to oneshot everything. id say thats pretty dope.

i didn't vote for this, why am i forced to comply. i want to enjoy the new content with how i built my character during the story. this makes no sense. I don't want the new skill tree.

[Grink "V.F" da Boy]

boohoohoo i cant faceroll the game anymore

[Cosmophase]

I want some of what you are smoking because you are honestly either high or have no concept of what a good skill tree is. That other skill tree was honestly one of the worst skill trees I have seen in ANY game and I honestly can't believe it made it to release version. I literally reinstalled a few weeks ago and the first thing that put me off was seeing that god awful skill tree with absolutely no meaningful skills/perks/etc.

This is yet another perfect example of devs giving the players what they want and people STILL not being happy. Go play pre-2.0 version if you aren't happy, you can downgrade back down and have your meaningless skill tree back. Don't come into the forums spewing your awful takes because for once we actually get some good content and some of you are trying to ruin it for the rest of us.

[vile]

Originally posted by Strider1:

enemies are more susceptible to stagger, stun, blinding, or bleeding (literally not seeing any of this in a dedicated katana build which requires heavy commitment to even get this perk in the first place... all for nothing)

Literally everything you do causes bleeding with the capstone talent, and attacking quickly staggers enemies. It synergies perfectly.

Originally posted by Strider1:

a Finisher (leaves you vulnerable, no health bonus or invulnerability),

This is just flat out wrong. It heals you for a quarter of your health and you're absolutely invulnerable during it.

Originally posted by Strider1:

You're forced to play smarter...

The fact that this is a negative in your book is one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard.

[vile]

Originally posted by Strider1:

i didn't vote for this, why am i forced to comply. e.

Because it isn't your game. You don't own the IP and the only thing you bought from Steam is a license to play CDPR's game on Valve's platform.

[Mardoc]

Im on my way to 600 hours of gameplay and i can honestly say that 2.0 has given new life and possibilities to the game.
It allows new ways to play and does increase difficulty in some regards but its amazing in my opinion.
I suppose change isnt for everyone.

[Minti]

Originally posted by Grink "V.F" da Boy:

boohoohoo i cant faceroll the game anymore :tcry:

to be fair, i'm level 50/50 in the 2.0 version and every build rn feels facerolly

[wellbi]

I am having absolute blast as blunt/shotgun/LMG berserk cyberpsycho, which would be "meh gameplay-wise" in the patches before . A lot of gigs I have to play 4, 5 times until I get through, but every single time I annihilate a full site of enemies and the only that is left is a red mist and pieces of charred bodies around I am like: "Wow, heheheh."

It's true you cannot be a jack of all trades anymore (At least at very hard.), but the satisfaction level when you develop a good build with a lot of synergies and learn to play it to full dmg/mitigation potential is really high.

[Storm]

How does it make you feel. exactly?