Quickhacks useless in Stealth?

[HeinrichVonHannover]

So i just made a new character and noticed that everytime i use a Quickhack, like short circuit, i get a tracking warning. It doesnt even make sense that enemys who never saw you or ever were effected by you start tracking you down. I cant use quickhacks for stealth gameplay due to getting tracked down by an enemy 30 miles away. My Stealth gameplay includes waiting and grabbing them. Maybe its useless at the first starting part of the Game and i just need to level up but as it is now Stealth seems more than a struggle than just going in with Shotgun and LMG combined with quickhacks

[Cipher Stormwolf]

You made them aware that you are in their network, of course they will look for you. You can ping a camera and see all the things and people in the network, but if you damage them they will come looking where that netrunner sitting around messing with their chrome!

[Chill-Out-Zone]

You need chip and perks that doesn't trace you. Read the equipments.

[Ospi]

This is all part of the upgrade paths and unlocks.

[IL'dar]

Originally posted by Cipher Stormwolf:

You made them aware that you are in their network, of course they will look for you. You can ping a camera and see all the things and people in the network, but if you damage them they will come looking where that netrunner sitting around messing with their chrome!

Yes, but tracing in general is bugged. Sometimes tracing goes to 100% and nothing happens, sometimes there is no tracing at all. SHADOWRUNNER perk does not work.

[Burdpal]

Tier 3 Sonic Shock prevents tracing if used before other tracable hacks.

[shoopy]

how to delete a trace and be undetected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYSZic6urA

[angelsenvy228]

Originally posted by IL'dar:

Originally posted by Cipher Stormwolf:

You made them aware that you are in their network, of course they will look for you. You can ping a camera and see all the things and people in the network, but if you damage them they will come looking where that netrunner sitting around messing with their chrome!

Yes, but tracing in general is bugged. Sometimes tracing goes to 100% and nothing happens, sometimes there is no tracing at all. SHADOWRUNNER perk does not work.

are you sure shadowrunner does not work? you were getting traced and you did a takedown right? you know what a takedown is? you get behind them and press F and then knock them out, not shoot at them or kill them with a quick hack. I haven't tried it yet to see if it works properly with shadowrunner but Im guessing most people don't know what a takedown actually is and assume it means a kill, it is specifically pressing F behind people and taking them down.

[HeinrichVonHannover]

Originally posted by shoopy:

how to delete a trace and be undetected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYSZic6urA

Yea thats not working at my side. If i use a traceable quickhack like short-circuit i get traced by every enemy on the map. Maybe just a bug at my side.

[shoopy]

Originally posted by BANZAI:

Originally posted by shoopy:

how to delete a trace and be undetected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYSZic6urA

Yea thats not working at my side. If i use a traceable quickhack like short-circuit i get traced by every enemy on the map. Maybe just a bug at my side.

How this works is you have to be detected by an enemy and immediately kill them. Notice how the second guy goes on alert before he dies. Because he went into combat mode, the trace is considered finished because you have been technically "found" but you immediately kill them before they can report your location to everyone else.

Also you don't need a perk to do this, it's just a technicality in the detection mechanics.

[IL'dar]

Originally posted by angelsenvy228:

Originally posted by IL'dar:

Yes, but tracing in general is bugged. Sometimes tracing goes to 100% and nothing happens, sometimes there is no tracing at all. SHADOWRUNNER perk does not work.

are you sure shadowrunner does not work? you were getting traced and you did a takedown right? you know what a takedown is? you get behind them and press F and then knock them out, not shoot at them or kill them with a quick hack. I haven't tried it yet to see if it works properly with shadowrunner but Im guessing most people don't know what a takedown actually is and assume it means a kill, it is specifically pressing F behind people and taking them down.

No, I did't, tracing just goes to 100% and nothing, no combat. After that tracing does not even start, unless I reload a save.

Originally posted by shoopy:

Originally posted by BANZAI:

Yea thats not working at my side. If i use a traceable quickhack like short-circuit i get traced by every enemy on the map. Maybe just a bug at my side.

How this works is you have to be detected by an enemy and immediately kill them. Notice how the second guy goes on alert before he dies. Because he went into combat mode, the trace is considered finished because you have been technically "found" but you immediately kill them before they can report your location to everyone else.

That is clearly not an intented gameplay mechanics, come on.

[HeinrichVonHannover]

Originally posted by shoopy:

Originally posted by BANZAI:

Yea thats not working at my side. If i use a traceable quickhack like short-circuit i get traced by every enemy on the map. Maybe just a bug at my side.

How this works is you have to be detected by an enemy and immediately kill them. Notice how the second guy goes on alert before he dies. Because he went into combat mode, the trace is considered finished because you have been technically "found" but you immediately kill them before they can report your location to everyone else.

Also you don't need a perk to do this, it's just a technicality in the detection mechanics.

Somehow its a big downgrade to the old Stealth system. So if i use Quickhacks i need to be fast or i need to alert somebody and kill him immediately to go around the game mechanic.

[shoopy]

Originally posted by IL'dar:

That is clearly not an intented gameplay mechanics, come on.

It's from the fact that starting combat ends any trace on you. It might not be intentional but it is "legit" as far as the logic goes. You enter combat so the game considers you to be found, because why would it not? But then there's a small window to kill an enemy after they enter combat before they trigger everyone else to enter combat which creates this loophole.

[HeinrichVonHannover]

Is there also a way to decrease the ram usage of Quickhacks? On my other Save game i have Tier 5 Short-Circuit and it uses 10 RAM

[shoopy]

Originally posted by BANZAI:

Is there also a way to decrease the ram usage of Quickhacks? On my other Save game i have Tier 5 Short-Circuit and it uses 10 RAM

Queuing perks, and just using lower tiers of hacks.

In my level 30 game I've been sticking to tier 3 and 4 hacks because they do well enough and it becomes manageable with the perks that decrease cost of already cheap hacks.

For me a tier 3 sonic shock costs 4, and a tier 4 short circuit costs 7, but if I queue it up after sonic shock it gets reduced to 5. So I get an untraceable short circuit for 9 ram that kills most people in the game on normal difficulty.

[Big Brown Anime Melons]

Originally posted by Cipher Stormwolf:

You made them aware that you are in their network, of course they will look for you. You can ping a camera and see all the things and people in the network, but if you damage them they will come looking where that netrunner sitting around messing with their chrome!

Okay but they aren't aware that one of the on guys on their network had their brains blown out or neck snapped? It would make sense if there is an actual netrunner enemy among the group, but without it is just stupid.
Not to mention they also removed inserting quickhacks like camera control and reboot optics from network access points It is obvious it is just a broad nerf to quickhacks for stealth because it trivialized the stealth sections.