Hiding bodies now counts as lethal?

[astraldooley]

Am I trippin' or has this been changed in 2.0? I swear I used to be able to hide knocked out bodies without it killing them.

[GoobleMoWizard]

I noticed they changed it, but I dumped the bodies anyway, I dunno if that really kills them? Thing is I just kill them anyways, if I feel generous I'll just choke em out, but I dunno. But yeah, it wasn't labeled lethal before, but who knows.

[Silverbane7]

Nope.
It always counted as lethal to stuff some gonk into the trash, freezer or back of a car (unless a Fixer sent the car to pick them up)
Its just now that it tells you its deadly.

Found that out the hard way patch 1.6 when doing a badlands gig for Dakota, and the (optional) said not to kill any of the MiliTech guards.

Sneak up behind and takedown/use non lethal quickhack to take them down was fine, if I left them unconscious on the floor.
But the moment I his the mooks in a trashcan, I lost the (optional) part.
Lucky me, I could reload to before (I quick saved a lot lol)

[Drake]

Yeah it has always been lethal.

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by astraldooley:

Am I trippin' or has this been changed in 2.0? I swear I used to be able to hide knocked out bodies without it killing them.

Some containers have always been lethal. Not noticed a difference in 2.0 yet.

[touché Seydoux]

it did't count as lethal as long as you dump in dumpster but freezer is count as lethal or drop from high ground,carried and drop from high ground back in 1.6 patch .

[astraldooley]

Originally posted by Silverbane7:

Nope.
It always counted as lethal to stuff some gonk into the trash, freezer or back of a car (unless a Fixer sent the car to pick them up)
Its just now that it tells you its deadly.

Found that out the hard way patch 1.6 when doing a badlands gig for Dakota, and the (optional) said not to kill any of the MiliTech guards.

Sneak up behind and takedown/use non lethal quickhack to take them down was fine, if I left them unconscious on the floor.
But the moment I his the mooks in a trashcan, I lost the (optional) part.
Lucky me, I could reload to before (I quick saved a lot lol)

No way... All this time... I've been killing people without knowing it.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

[Gothic Purple Goblin]

Well ♥♥♥♥, that explains why I failed that bit ages ago lol. Did not know that.

[Raynre Valence]

There's no way it has always been lethal. There's a mission with a monk where you have to rescue his brother, and he begs you to not kill anyone. I've successfully run that mission multiple times while stuffing scags in the trash and he thanks me after for not murdering anyone.

[EJR]

It always counted as lethal. Prior to 2.0 I did that quest to save that monk's brother (A fellow monk) from Maelstrom, and when I hid one of the thugs in a dumpster the dude reacted as if I killed him despite taking him out non-lethally. Reloading the save and leaving him on the ground, the guy was cordial to me and thanked me.

[sidiherrero]

I don't think it always did. I seem to recall that when you pushed the body next to the container it ley you both options, to kill or to render unconscious. Now it doesn't

[Miksus]

I don't know where your false memories and conclusions come from.

Of course it didn't always show that way. You had the choice of "kill" or "no kill" before throwing the body into the container. You could make someone pass out by hitting their head or kill them by breaking their neck when throwing them into a closet/trash.

And now every container kills. Not only refrigerators, etc. If I try to throw someone into a garbage can, I have to break their neck. This hasn't happened before. There was a choice to stun or kill. And if you don't want to kill, then an unconscious person was thrown into a garbage can.

If V was just a heartless murderer and snapped the necks of everyone they met from the beginning, it wouldn't be such much problem for me. But when I can knock unconscious someone... and then have to break their neck to hide them from view... it feels weird.
Everyone knows it's a game, but having immersion and faced with this choice, I wonder if it's worth killing someone just because I want to put him in the closet... it feels so bad. "I didn't want to kill you, but I have to break your neck to throw it into the trash can. For some reason..."
:D

[Korinth]

This is stupid, I mean for the freezer ok it's logical, but the dumpster ? it even have a clean trash bed to lie on.

[FreshRevenge]

Yeah I notice this that when putting enemies in closets or trashcans it say it's lethal. I remember the T Bug tutorial in the beginning give you that choice to hide the body without killing them. Unless they change that?

It doesn't make any sense to knock a body out just to kill them to hide their bodies. So now I just have to hide their bodies on the floor in a spot where they don't patrol. A bit annoying.

[Kalenath]

Originally posted by Raynre Valence:

There's no way it has always been lethal. There's a mission with a monk where you have to rescue his brother, and he begs you to not kill anyone. I've successfully run that mission multiple times while stuffing scags in the trash and he thanks me after for not murdering anyone.

I think that one mission is set up for non-lethal, but frankly? Shoving an unconscious person into a small space ANYWHERE is likely not good for their health. Just saying...

[halfberry35]

Originally posted by Raynre Valence:

There's no way it has always been lethal. There's a mission with a monk where you have to rescue his brother, and he begs you to not kill anyone. I've successfully run that mission multiple times while stuffing scags in the trash and he thanks me after for not murdering anyone.

Well I just ran the mission 2 days ago, I got an epic failed for putting body in a car. It’s stupid you can’t hide the bodies without npc finding laying out and about