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DS1404 Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:19pm
Ray Tracing grainy/blurry
Hiya,

I tried out Path Tracing for s and giggles however.. everything got extremely grainy/blurry. Even switching back to regular raytracing keeps it blurry/grainy. Dlss is on quality. RTX 4070 + 5800x3d. It performs better framerate/frametime wise but something.. is wrong.

Anyone encountered the same thing?
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MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 12:51pm 
Originally posted by Gargy:
Originally posted by MTO:

Where is this location where you shot the pictures?

Not sure of that, one was just a random load going back to the game. But some more from Japantown below. With\Without Ray Reconstruction. Also started a new game Street Cred, and took an immediate SS with Reconstruction On. I'll keep poking around, but definitely hard to do other comparisons when nothing else is leveraging this yet. May have to wait for Alan Wake 2 or try Portal RTX, not sure of it's update.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2115059309477635251/866EFAC9B0445A8246B47506F9C5AFBDEAAE8779/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2115059309477634408/E424EFB17A9E02DF6DC523A606EA008738EEFC4A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2115059309477626564/31E241D10A25BA74C4CE90C1594ED7A7261F36CB/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

With the same graphic settings! 1st Pic with rayconstruction on & 2nd Pic with rayconstruction off
1st rayconstr. on
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731383972/5D9F258A07F89C796B2E8274CB617ADE34C30E8F/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
2nd rayconstr. off
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731383524/298BD18ED9C37792F539A50FDA506D25510BBEA6/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

I also went to JigJigstreet and tried to recreate your pictures. Same settings here too. 3rd Pic withrayconstruction on and 4th Pic with rayconstreuction off

3rd rayconstr. on
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731719810/2DF828F41E55CE524283F3369E2FEF2ED1D521D3/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
4th rayconstr. off
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731719276/32E239EEF3BAD76F5D0451147259C80F73EA1573/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
Last edited by MTO; Sep 22, 2023 @ 1:47pm
Nez'lakor Sep 22, 2023 @ 2:07pm 
Originally posted by MTO:
Originally posted by Gargy:

Not sure of that, one was just a random load going back to the game. But some more from Japantown below. With\Without Ray Reconstruction. Also started a new game Street Cred, and took an immediate SS with Reconstruction On. I'll keep poking around, but definitely hard to do other comparisons when nothing else is leveraging this yet. May have to wait for Alan Wake 2 or try Portal RTX, not sure of it's update.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2115059309477635251/866EFAC9B0445A8246B47506F9C5AFBDEAAE8779/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2115059309477634408/E424EFB17A9E02DF6DC523A606EA008738EEFC4A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2115059309477626564/31E241D10A25BA74C4CE90C1594ED7A7261F36CB/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

With the same graphic settings! 1st Pic with rayconstruction on & 2nd Pic with rayconstruction off
1st rayconstr. on
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731383972/5D9F258A07F89C796B2E8274CB617ADE34C30E8F/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
2nd rayconstr. off
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731383524/298BD18ED9C37792F539A50FDA506D25510BBEA6/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

I also went to JigJigstreet and tried to recreate your pictures. Same settings here too. 3rd Pic withrayconstruction on and 4th Pic with rayconstreuction off

3rd rayconstr. on
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731719810/2DF828F41E55CE524283F3369E2FEF2ED1D521D3/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
4th rayconstr. off
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731719276/32E239EEF3BAD76F5D0451147259C80F73EA1573/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
Do you experience any issues with ghosting on people's faces, especially when there's hair movement? (For example, Judy, when her hair falls onto her face). Could you take a screenshot of an NPC or character's face with RR and without RR? Just for comparison with the faces I see.
MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by Nez'lakor:
Originally posted by MTO:

With the same graphic settings! 1st Pic with rayconstruction on & 2nd Pic with rayconstruction off
1st rayconstr. on
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731383972/5D9F258A07F89C796B2E8274CB617ADE34C30E8F/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
2nd rayconstr. off
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731383524/298BD18ED9C37792F539A50FDA506D25510BBEA6/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

I also went to JigJigstreet and tried to recreate your pictures. Same settings here too. 3rd Pic withrayconstruction on and 4th Pic with rayconstreuction off

3rd rayconstr. on
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731719810/2DF828F41E55CE524283F3369E2FEF2ED1D521D3/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
4th rayconstr. off
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731719276/32E239EEF3BAD76F5D0451147259C80F73EA1573/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
Do you experience any issues with ghosting on people's faces, especially when there's hair movement? (For example, Judy, when her hair falls onto her face). Could you take a screenshot of an NPC or character's face with RR and without RR? Just for comparison with the faces I see.


I don't see any ghosting in the faces. Again I see the ghosting effect in the hair when moving quickly. Here again comparison pictures.

1st RR on

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731905746/38D601A8AD58E79999816734C69B7477229F9E9D/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

2nd RR off

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731905088/2DBB12C0E289ED6DF520B7178423D4BC58844456/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

3rd RR on

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731904308/39CB49E5E5743F36579855D02EC9C6781A4D1795/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

4th RR off

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731903825/51760C594B9D73CA407DEC00E46748E334350696/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 3:26pm 
Originally posted by :
I can't tell from the video so much, because the compression looks so bad it almost looks like upscaled 720p, anyway (even the menu text looks blurry in that video), but from the other person that did before & after screenshots.... yeh, something is def up on your end; that's quite the visible downgrade, & exactly what I was thinking when I imagined people talking about film grain. I'm on a 4000 series, latest drivers, max settings, etc; & it looks nothing like that in my game when I turn these settings on/off again.

There's people complaining about instantly crashing, etc, so it's probably just a bug only some people are experiencing right now. Gimme 20 & I'll post some screenshots/settings.

Edit - I can see massive trailing with that mouse cursor/small hand icon in menu video btw. Even compression, low fps shouldn't cause that kind of obvious ghosting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY5S0EkB-Mo

All my settings are the exact same, except I've got Screen Space Reflections Quality set to Psycho, & I've got my sharpness set higher. You've got all the same "Basic" options, like film grain, motion blur off like I do, I just have my FOV a bit higher.

So in my comparison images I intentionally set the FOV from 100 to 70 so that you can see the differences better. I even adjusted my graphics settings so that you can compare it with the other images above. I usually play in 4096x2160p with DLSS set to automatic and sharpness at 80, as I mostly play from the couch on my 65 inch TV and sit further away than I do right in front of the monitor where one or two things are noticeable between the DLSS quality DLLS set to automatic.
Nez'lakor Sep 22, 2023 @ 3:29pm 
Originally posted by MTO:
Originally posted by Nez'lakor:
Do you experience any issues with ghosting on people's faces, especially when there's hair movement? (For example, Judy, when her hair falls onto her face). Could you take a screenshot of an NPC or character's face with RR and without RR? Just for comparison with the faces I see.


I don't see any ghosting in the faces. Again I see the ghosting effect in the hair when moving quickly. Here again comparison pictures.

1st RR on

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731905746/38D601A8AD58E79999816734C69B7477229F9E9D/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

2nd RR off

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731905088/2DBB12C0E289ED6DF520B7178423D4BC58844456/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

3rd RR on

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731904308/39CB49E5E5743F36579855D02EC9C6781A4D1795/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

4th RR off

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731903825/51760C594B9D73CA407DEC00E46748E334350696/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
Thank you for these screenshots. Everything looks perfect to me in the foreground or with objects/people close to the camera. Overall you have a better quality due to your higher render resolution, I think (I'm still in 1080p, so with DLSS is upscaled from 720p). The problem I've It tends to occur more with NPCs at medium or long distances from the camera, as well as with objects and white text.
Nez'lakor Sep 22, 2023 @ 3:30pm 
Originally posted by LordZip:
https://youtu.be/hhAtN_rRuQo?feature=shared&t=1155
That's EXACTLY what happens to me, 100%
MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 3:48pm 
Originally posted by :
What graphics card did you say you have MTO? "DLSS set to automatic" looks like the issue to me, because my sharpness setting is near identical, too. I'm playing at DLSS 3K res, & I can't turn all of this on without dropping below 60fps. I'd guess that unless you have a 4090, then DLSS "automatic" is massively dropping your internal rendering res to keep fps high from the performance hit. I'd need to drop my res to 1440p DLSS quality on my card to have absolutely every setting maxed/bare min 60fps.

Actually I don't have any major problems. My graphics card is the Pallit Gamerock RTX 4090 and I play with Framegen on, DLSS on automatic, sharpness on 0.80 (you can also set it to 1, but it looks oversharpened). My resolution is set to 4096x2160p.
MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 3:58pm 
Originally posted by Nez'lakor:
Originally posted by MTO:


I don't see any ghosting in the faces. Again I see the ghosting effect in the hair when moving quickly. Here again comparison pictures.

1st RR on

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731905746/38D601A8AD58E79999816734C69B7477229F9E9D/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

2nd RR off

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731905088/2DBB12C0E289ED6DF520B7178423D4BC58844456/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

3rd RR on

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731904308/39CB49E5E5743F36579855D02EC9C6781A4D1795/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

4th RR off

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2124066508731903825/51760C594B9D73CA407DEC00E46748E334350696/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
Thank you for these screenshots. Everything looks perfect to me in the foreground or with objects/people close to the camera. Overall you have a better quality due to your higher render resolution, I think (I'm still in 1080p, so with DLSS is upscaled from 720p). The problem I've It tends to occur more with NPCs at medium or long distances from the camera, as well as with objects and white text.

So you still have a 1080p monitor? If that's the case, then try DSR with a factor that gets you closer to 1440p up-rendered or 2160p up-rendered in the Nvidia system control pannel (Manage global settings under 3D settings) to upscale the resolution, maybe it will work against it but it could also be worse as I don't really know whether DSR works properly in combination with DLSS.
Last edited by MTO; Sep 22, 2023 @ 4:33pm
MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 4:17pm 
Originally posted by :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3039636652 Everything max, 3K DLSS, frame gen on, Ray Tracing - Psycho, Path Tracing - Off, DLSS Ray Reconstruction - Off

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3039637266 Same as above, but Path Tracing & DLSS Ray Reconstruction now both turned On. It's a night scene, so I'd expect grain to be worse (also JPEG compression, looks sharper whilst in-game.

Edit - Nice, turns out I can maintain over 60fps @ night with it all turned on lol. When I tested in during the day in a different scene/area with a lot of NPCs/traffic though, the fps wasn't good enough for me.

Your pictures cannot be viewed because your profile is set to private or the pictures are set to private. But that doesn't matter now and yes, there are some areas where there are severe frame drops here and there. The Roundabout in the city center and the park near the roundabout in the city center in particular eat up the FPS at certain times of the day.
That's why it's not advisable to set everything to psycho, as the psycho settings eat up much more performance than you get any noticeable visual added value.
Something like screen space reflections can either be turned off, set to low or medium, as with ray tracing activated it only plays a secondary role and is no longer really noticeable.
Ray tracing can be set to Ultra instead of Psycho because the differences are also hardly visible.
MTO Sep 22, 2023 @ 5:09pm 
Originally posted by :
Edited for direct link to screenshots, should work now. As for settings you mentioned, yeh, difference hardly noticeable, but I lost like 3-5fps changing them @ like 90fps in area tested. Leaving it all maxed I never drop below 80fps at any area (been playing 10 hours since update). Path Tracing just cripples my fps though, so there's not much I can compromise (except rendering resolution, which I won't) to get the fps back up for the trade to be worth it. Personally, 60fps just isn't good enough for me anymore. With motion blur turned off, 60 just looks too choppy, & I notice the downgrade constantly. 1440P native @ 80fps is now the bare min I'm willing to accept in any game now. Even 1440P looks a bit too rough in some games, imo.

In your case, with a monitor of 1440p (WQHD) or lower, it is definitely good if you set DLLS to quality. Back then (2 years ago) I had a problem with my previous graphics card (RTX 3090) in combination with a WQHD monitor that made the image seem a little blurry. DSR then ironed this out a bit with a factor that rendered up to 2160p and made the image appear a little sharper. But as I mentioned before, I don't know whether this still works with the newer DLLS versions. From the pictures you shared, it doesn't look that bad. That's a matter of taste again.
zorro1582 Sep 24, 2023 @ 8:55am 
I have a 4070 and have the same problem. Graphics setting on low has no visible difference to ultra and to RT overdrive.
With all settings I’ve tried the game is soft blurry and round looking mess, there are no sharp edges on anything except weapon models.
It runs much better than 1.63 but looks much worse.
I did a fresh install too.
Garghina Sep 25, 2023 @ 8:40am 
Originally posted by Nez'lakor:
Here we go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reXG3YJpVuY

I have the game text in Italian, but I've added chapter timestamps below the video to mark when I changed the settings. I tried Path Tracing + Ray Reconstruction, Path Tracing without RR, RT Ultra, RT Ultra + Ray Reconstruction, and then again all of them without DLSS. Film grain has always been turned off.

Anche secondo me è un paciugo sta patch ahahaha
Ormai Cyberpunk viene usato come beta test per le nuove tecnologie. Come punto di inizio è buono per RR, anche a me l'immagine appunto sembra degradata anche RT ultra e dlss quality.
Prima con il dlss impostato su 00.10 avevo un ottima definizione, adesso nemmeno con 0.50 mi sembra definito.
Last edited by Garghina; Sep 25, 2023 @ 8:45am
kharekartik Sep 26, 2023 @ 2:14pm 
I am also having this exact same issue. Only difference was path ray tracing turned on. Reverting didn't fix it.
The OP's pic before and after path raytracing matches my experience as well.

I am using RTX 4080 with 1440p monitor and no HDR
Chris Oct 24, 2023 @ 4:15am 
Same for me on 3440x1440, 4090 & 12900k.
Enabling path tracing or ray reconstruction results in a noticeable downgrade from RT ultra/psycho.
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