Body Dumping is Lethal!!

[Hawkesoul]

It turns out that dumping spots are intended to be lethal. I thought it was a bug, so I reported it.

They responded and said "What you are reporting regarding putting an unconscious body in a locker counting as lethal is a game feature and it's working as intended."

I understand how freezers can be lethal, but closets, lockers and dumpster shouldn't be, right? Is every closet secretly an ironmaiden?!

[TKOdarkshadow]

I think it's kinda silly they are lethal, yeah. There should be more ways to play as a non-killing character if wanted.

[boredomincorporated]

It is kinda silly and disappointing, but I think it's actually a practical thing. The only real difference between lethal and not lethal is for cyberpsycho missions and gigs where you then carry someone and dump them in a car trunk, neither of which work when stashed in a box so mechanically it might as well be lethal so they just made it lethal.

[Crimsomrider]

Unfortunately yes, every container is lethal because the system was designed from the get-go to immediately despawn NPCs thrown into containers and then make them permanently unusable afterwards to simulate "they're full", so because they are despawned it counts as a death.

CDPR probably took a look at it and decided reworking the entire system anew wasn't worth it, so they just slapped a warning on top of it to stop confusing people whether it's lethal or not due to one gig in the Badlands.

Naturally it makes absolutely no sense, but it's a technical limitation at this point. At least they're outright telling people it's lethal now.

[NorthernDavid]

Dumpsters and Garbage chutes should be lethal, you don't know if the person will wake up before:
1) Someone throws more in covering and possibly suffocating or crushing them.
2) The garbage gets picked up and either compacted crushing the person or thrown in a dump resulting in the same as more trash being tossed on top of them. The other option to it getting thrown in a dump is thrown in an incinerator.

V waking up in a landfill not dead is real plot armor.

Most of the standing cabinets are labelled as fridges and so would cool and possibly cause hypothermia before the person wakes.

This leaves, the crates and the ones not labelled as fridges, those are the most likely to survive but at least with the crates given how the body is tossed in a bad landing could break a neck.

[LeftIsBest-James]

airtight fridges?

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by NorthernDavid:

V waking up in a landfill not dead is real plot armor.

Isn't plot armor. V was dead. The shot to the head killed them. The luck was the low caliber round not vacating all their brain, thus allowing the chip to repair the damage. V died, was dead on their way to the fill and reanimated hours or days later. Takemura managed to track down Dex in the interim.

No plot armor, they didnt survive the dumpster.

[Ethakk]

I presume that Dex knew where to find the body because he placed it there, you were never in a dumpster.

[Bjørn]

I reacted to the lethal part when I first started playing as well, which was after the 2.1 patch. I mentioned this to a friend of mine, and he had played the game back in the start, and he said "of course it's not lethal to hide someone in a dumpster". He hadn't played it in years, though.

However, when I did a mission once, where you help the 2 guys (cops, I think) who had cut open a guy who had swallowed a lot of drugs, to try and get it back lol, there was a segment in the end, where a boss guy confronts us, and asks his assistant to 'scan the guys upstairs and find out if they're ok'. The assistant answers 'vitals are good on all, sir. They're alive', or something to that effect. I then got praise from the boss for not killing them, and he let me and the others leave peacefully.

I had used quickhacks on all the Barghest guys upstairs, and hidden several in various 'lethal' places, but they were apparently alive, or simply gone from the game, so they didn't count when deciding whether they were alive or not.

Originally posted by Hawkesoul:

It turns out that dumping spots are intended to be lethal. I thought it was a bug, so I reported it.

They responded and said "What you are reporting regarding putting an unconscious body in a locker counting as lethal is a game feature and it's working as intended."

So this response of 'working as intended' seems to mean that they don't technically die, in this case at least, since they no longer exist. Or something to that effect.


(I searched now, and the gig was called "Waiting for Dodger", early in the DLC for me. I also see now that if the boss (Dodger) had gotten mad and I killed him, I would have gotten a new side job later ("New Person, Same Old Mistakes") from one of the cops. Bummer... Oh well. Next playthrough

[Phynrae]

Originally posted by Crimsomrider:

Naturally it makes absolutely no sense, but it's a technical limitation at this point. At least they're outright telling people it's lethal now.

Yeah that might well be the case. Blunt weapons were also supposed to be non-lethal, but never actually have been, and since the 2.0 update, i find that PAX-mods also work very unreliably (you put a PAX on a silenced pistol to make it non-lethal, then take out a few goons with headshots, only to find that all their heads exploded... welp, that didn't work right).

So yeah, it likely is some engine problem.

[DeadBeat]

Pax isn't a guaranteed non-lethal takedown on head shots.

[Phynrae]

Originally posted by DeadBeat:

Pax isn't a guaranteed non-lethal takedown on head shots.

No it sure isent!

It used to be. Even when mounted on a Legendary Overture. But not anymore.

[valium]

Dumping bodies was always lethal, it just never outright told you before. The few gigs where it strictly tells you to not kill anybody had you fail that objective when you dumped a body.

[DeadBeat]

Originally posted by valium:

Dumping bodies was always lethal, it just never outright told you before. The few gigs where it strictly tells you to not kill anybody had you fail that objective when you dumped a body.

Ya but it always kind of bothered me that knocking guys out and throwing them in the dumpster resulted in a death. I can see when you put someone in a freezer sure but it is what it is and I've pretty much given up on the non-lethal approach.

[valium]

Have you seen the kind of trash that is littered around the city? You dumped that body in a dumpster full of hazardous materials.

[DeadBeat]

Sure and as a retort I could say there's dumpsters full of paper products as well.