The tower is the worst written ending

[UnlivingEnd]

I like the idea of the tower ending, it was just executed horribly due to the flaws in the logic of the story. If V is unable to handle any cyberware beyond a personal link, he would be a blind quadriplegic because both his arms, legs, and eyes were replaced with implants. Second, No matter how much money you have before you go, you are homeless and broke when you get back. Where did all the money go?

[Doctor Zalgo]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

I like the idea of the tower ending, it was just executed horribly due to the flaws in the logic of the story. If V is unable to handle any cyberware beyond a personal link, he would be a blind quadriplegic because both his arms, legs, and eyes were replaced with implants. Second, No matter how much money you have before you go, you are homeless and broke when you get back. Where did all the money go?

We'll probably be able to grow and implant new organs by 2077. It's just more expensive and less functional than the alternative.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Mazovian Socio-Economist:

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

I like the idea of the tower ending, it was just executed horribly due to the flaws in the logic of the story. If V is unable to handle any cyberware beyond a personal link, he would be a blind quadriplegic because both his arms, legs, and eyes were replaced with implants. Second, No matter how much money you have before you go, you are homeless and broke when you get back. Where did all the money go?

We'll probably be able to grow and implant new organs by 2077. It's just more expensive and less functional than the alternative.

Then why would V's damaged nervous system be a problem at all? If new limbs can be grown than so can new nerves otherwise the limbs would be useless.

[Hans CakeStealer]

That wasn't my problem with it, it was just how damn depressing it was, and it just dragged on for ages

[ShadowSplit]

Yeah, makes no sense whatsoever. Of course there are people that find it satisfying, but it's just poorly written.

[charly4711]

To a certain extent the entire premise of all the other endings also needs a little suspension of disbelief. The thing where V's personality is reinserted by Alt and then the brain considers that alien and something that needs to be fought. That's just not how brains work. It's not like harddrive that you store data on. The way the neurons are connected IS the content. So, when Johnny is implemented in V's brain, that requires rewiring neurons (apparently through the use of nanites) ... but why then can somebody not replace or reprogram the nanites and change the wiring of the neurons back to what they were before? (I mean _IF_ you even know what they were before, which is the prerequisite for reinserting V) ... but eh, I can grant them some degree of poetical license.

Reading about the other PL endings and changes to main game endings, though, makes me feel like I can stick to King of Cups and not necessarily see the rest.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by ShadowSplit:

Yeah, makes no sense whatsoever. Of course there are people that find it satisfying, but it's just poorly written.

I'm not really interested in arguing over future tech works, but the ending is the best ending just from a results perspective. Before Phantom Liberty, the best ending was committing suicide.

The Arasaka ending involves helping Arasaka, and every other ending involves helping a hyper-lethal, malevolent AI with unknown intentions. Regardless of how likely it is for all of your friends to abandon you or the specifics of how the cyberware works, you're still alive and didn't do either of the things involved in the other endings.

[Arthursa]

I think that's kind of the point. A lot of people don't understand the setting, no matter how many times the game tells you that there are no happy endings in Night City. One of the major complaints before Phantom Liberty was that V was doomed no matter what, so this ending was thrown in to show those who, again, don't understand the setting that you have to be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.

[ElevenEleven]

Originally posted by charly4711:

That's just not how brains work. I

Rule #1 : dont use logic of real world for written worlds. it will always make some plot holes. Always use inside logic and rules. If world says that your body thinks you are an enemy after biochip-then this is how it works.
and again. All endings in cyberpunk not about tech or how to survive, its about accepting of death. And rules of biochip were written about this idea

[ElevenEleven]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Before Phantom Liberty, the best ending was committing suicide.

Best ending was secret ending, going alone to fight arasaka tower. IMO

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Deklend:

I think that's kind of the point. A lot of people don't understand the setting, no matter how many times the game tells you that there are no happy endings in Night City. One of the major complaints before Phantom Liberty was that V was doomed no matter what, so this ending was thrown in to show those who, again, don't understand the setting that you have to be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.

I'm not upset about the subject matter of the ending, I like the idea of it. It's the massive plot holes that bother me.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by ElevenEleven:

Originally posted by charly4711:

That's just not how brains work. I

Rule #1 : dont use logic of real world for written worlds. it will always make some plot holes. Always use inside logic and rules. If world says that your body thinks you are an enemy after biochip-then this is how it works.
and again. All endings in cyberpunk not about tech or how to survive, its about accepting of death. And rules of biochip were written about this idea

But you should expect a story to follow it's own rules and this ending establishes and breaks them as the same time.

[Kingsleaze]

It always amuses me when people think they know how a fictional world works better than the writer of the fictional world. It used to be that one annoying dude in the local comic book shop, now its half the damn net.

I just went through that ending, it was fine. Sad like all the rest, but at least V lives.

[Befitzero]

It is just 1 of the 5 endings for Phantom Liberty, it changes based on choices in the main camp and the DLC.

[Baneil]

The worst part is everyone forgets that in universe cyberware isnt even mandatory for being an edgerunner. its like they forgot the setting they are in. in the TTRPG being cyberware free makes you a nightmare for netrunners.

[valium]

The game doesnt quite dig into the rules enough to explain why V cant accept the more involved implants, which is fine, you are supposed to just go along with it, because in this more advanced than our own world that is just how it works there.

The whole chrome thing is supposed to be a risk, sacrificing something to be able to accept the implant. V is now in pretty bad shape and has nothing left to sacrifice.

Edgerunners does a better job of taking that branch of the lore and running with it.

Hell, the Shadowrun games from Harebrained does a good job of integrating it. I can understand why CDPR didnt, it is an open game, and you are supposed to be free to do what you want with your build, and limiting cyberwear would be less fun and be much harder to balance, so it was instead fully integrated with how builds work.