SPOILER Phantom Liberty ending

[Walter White]

I dont know how to feel about these endings. I can't really decide which ending I should like... I decided to help Song, but I ended up handing her over to Reed at the end. I don't like the new main ending where you become an NPC. Sending her to the moon is probably the best ending, but killing Reed just feels wrong.
Whats your personal favorite ending?

[Moonlight]

If you're playing for the first time, then Reed may be your best choice. Otherwise, it will result in you selling your ass every chance you get.

If you follow this story carefully, you will see that Song always makes wrong decisions, and this one is no exception.

You must understand that corpo world always will be a part of society. Therefore, Kianu is fighting for nothing. His motivation is to ensure that everyone will get his message. Destruction mode only. The NC is portrayed as a place where you must be a part of a gang to survive. But that is because you see it from surrounding characters. Therefore CDPR give you an opportunity to decide who you want to be.

[Nyx]

Originally posted by Walter White:

I dont know how to feel about these endings. I can't really decide which ending I should like... I decided to help Song, but I ended up handing her over to Reed at the end. I don't like the new main ending where you become an NPC. Sending her to the moon is probably the best ending, but killing Reed just feels wrong.
Whats your personal favorite ending?

I don't think killing reed is wrong really, He is a man of his principals and he is well aware eventually those principals will get him killed, whether those principals are worth standing for is debatable though. However there aren't any hard feelings involved you both are at odds and neither of you are willing to change so one of you will come out on top its just a fact. It's why Alex who is as close as anyone can be to Reed isn't upset with you over killing him, She gets it, even if she mourn his death, she understands there isn't any other way it could really play out.

[Moonlight]

And if you decide to stick with Reed, you will see the history of Song, where it is obvious that she did everything to become a legend, as V, but failed in process. She did not contact Reed because she knew that he will not side with her. And since she believes only in her own piece of the story, she tries to convince you that it is all NUSA who did bad things with her. Yeah, sure.

[Tsunero]

NPC ending is the best, V can just start over. (alas without combat cyberware, which isn't really a problem when he didn't pack any during his first 6 months with Jackie anyway...)

[Nyx]

Originally posted by Moonlight:

And if you decide to stick with Reed, you will see the history of Song, where it is obvious that she did everything to become a legend, as V, but failed in process. She did not contact Reed because she knew that he will not side with her. And since she believes only in her own piece of the story, she tries to convince you that it is all NUSA who did bad things with her. Yeah, sure.

Songbird doesn't want to be a legend she wants to be free. Like did you pay attention at all? Myers is a wanna be imperialist who would gladly threaten the entire world by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the blackwall than rein in her ego and ambition. Reed is sorta a mirror of Takemura someone who's life has been so defined by one thing they can't see anything outside that, he would never side with Song because he's ultimately drunken the kool-aid for too long, he can't change because what would he be? and what would all he has spent his life doing have been for? Hence why Song wouldn't contact him; she knows him well enough to know he won't help her.

[Darx]

The "best ending" for the dlc would be if you help songbird and kill reed. reed is beyond salvation and nothing will really make him happy anymore anyways.
songbird on the other hand has the chance for a little bit of freedom that way

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by Nyx:

Originally posted by Moonlight:

And if you decide to stick with Reed, you will see the history of Song, where it is obvious that she did everything to become a legend, as V, but failed in process. She did not contact Reed because she knew that he will not side with her. And since she believes only in her own piece of the story, she tries to convince you that it is all NUSA who did bad things with her. Yeah, sure.

Songbird doesn't want to be a legend she wants to be free. Like did you pay attention at all? Myers is a wanna be imperialist who would gladly threaten the entire world by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the blackwall than rein in her ego and ambition. Reed is sorta a mirror of Takemura someone who's life has been so defined by one thing they can't see anything outside that, he would never side with Song because he's ultimately drunken the kool-aid for too long, he can't change because what would he be? and what would all he has spent his life doing have been for? Hence why Song wouldn't contact him; she knows him well enough to know he won't help her.

Hell no. Myers is type of girl who uses the opportunities. If Song fails, she will find a better / other runner, that's it. There is no path like "get rich or die trying". If you look at this situation correctly, you will see that Reed and that other girl decided to take the job (and noone forced them to do so). And pay attention at Song's motivation when she was in Brooklyn - she wanted to be the best - it was clearly stated that she got a lot of money after some gigs, so why she did not stop? And there is a dialog between Song and his bf where she stated that she want to be the first. Clearly her motivation is to be a legend

[Nyx]

Originally posted by Moonlight:

Originally posted by Nyx:

Songbird doesn't want to be a legend she wants to be free. Like did you pay attention at all? Myers is a wanna be imperialist who would gladly threaten the entire world by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the blackwall than rein in her ego and ambition. Reed is sorta a mirror of Takemura someone who's life has been so defined by one thing they can't see anything outside that, he would never side with Song because he's ultimately drunken the kool-aid for too long, he can't change because what would he be? and what would all he has spent his life doing have been for? Hence why Song wouldn't contact him; she knows him well enough to know he won't help her.

Hell no. Myers is type of girl who uses the opportunities. If Song fails, she will find a better / other runner, that's it. There is no path like "get rich or die trying". If you look at this situation correctly, you will see that Reed and that other girl decided to take the job (and noone forced them to do so). And pay attention at Song's motivation when she was in Brooklyn - she wanted to be the best - it was clearly stated that she got a lot of money after some gigs, so why she did not stop?

She didn't stop for the same reason V didn't say no to Konpeki; Ambition. Yes when she was young she wanted to be the best and then like V and Jackie she flew to high and got burned. Her current motivation is not about that at all, she just wants to be free from Myers free from being little more than a Leashed WMD that happens to have legs, free from being forced to mutilate her body to serve Myers better. As far as joining being a choice I'm sure Reed made it seem like one but brass tax it was join or Netwatch kills you and all your friends. Also as far as Myers finding another runner I wouldn't count on that, So Mi is a generational talent like bartmoss you can't just find another runner like her on a whim.

[Ranger_Arion]

Most of the endings in the base game already aren't "good" in the first place. The thing that this DLC does amazingly well, is making you think you made the wrong decision even when you tried to consider everything, which is something that I think "choices matter" games should use more often because i feel like it makes the characters more "human" if that makes sense. There is no "Best Ending" for anyone involved no matter how you look at it, my first play through, i sided with Reed and saved Songbird, and none of it felt right. My second try through Phantom Liberty I sided with Songbird and eventually gave it and handed her over to Reed, but I chose to reject the neural matrix. Even after seeing all the endings i personally think that siding with Reed, and fulfilling Songbirds request is better, than being burned too many times, or dragging someone back to a fate that is clearly worse than death.

[TripSin]

All the endings are fine imo.

The only thing that bothers me is that in order to get the new quickhack you have to go AGAINST the netrunner. Like wtf CDPR? I think there should be a way to still get the quickhack even if you side with Songbird.

[valium]

Songbird is the most sympathetic, she thought she was going to be a hotshot netrunner with connections, then Myers betrayed Songbird to slowly turn into a leashed weapon that is literally destroying her. I would want to be free from that too, and do whatever is necessary to extricate myself from that situation. Songbird uses you, Reed uses you, Myers uses you, Fixers use you, at least Songbird has a sympathetic reason to do so.

Also, helping Songbird sticks it to the NUSA/Myers/Corpos, so that is something. Might be barely a dent on the runaway freight train, but it is better than laying down on the tracks.

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by knossos:

I didn't care for Reed or Alex I was shocked by how they planned to kill the netrunners behind my back. All the endings are somewhat bitter tbh but I chose to send her to the moon.

Oh, so you've killed over 100 npc and now you are complaining over some french dudes. Nice

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by Nyx:

Originally posted by Moonlight:

Hell no. Myers is type of girl who uses the opportunities. If Song fails, she will find a better / other runner, that's it. There is no path like "get rich or die trying". If you look at this situation correctly, you will see that Reed and that other girl decided to take the job (and noone forced them to do so). And pay attention at Song's motivation when she was in Brooklyn - she wanted to be the best - it was clearly stated that she got a lot of money after some gigs, so why she did not stop?

She didn't stop for the same reason V didn't say no to Konpeki; Ambition. Yes when she was young she wanted to be the best and then like V and Jackie she flew to high and got burned. Her current motivation is not about that at all, she just wants to be free from Myers free from being little more than a Leashed WMD that happens to have legs, free from being forced to mutilate her body to serve Myers better. As far as joining being a choice I'm sure Reed made it seem like one but brass tax it was join or Netwatch kills you and all your friends. Also as far as Myers finding another runner I wouldn't count on that, So Mi is a generational talent like bartmoss you can't just find another runner like her on a whim.

Aha ok, and that's why she betreyed everyone - to prove that she had changed. And when she decided to kill Reed 7 years prior, that was her "friendly" mode. I bet that it was not Myers decision to give her body to the science and create living "human AI".

[Osteichthyes]

As many characters say in game, the whole situation is just a mess. There are no good answers, no good options. Just choices, consequences and justifications. Helping Song could be disastrous since she went so deep into the Blackwall that she could barely control it, but turning her over returns her into being a weapon for the NUSA. Fulfilling her request means that the crimes she was ordered to commit would be completely unpunished and would be buried for all time.

The best thing that can be done is just leaving the Blackwall alone, and the only way to do that is make sure that Song doesn't return to the NUSA. So it's either she goes to the moon where she might be saved, or we fulfil her request and release her from all the things she has done in the past.

As for The Tower ending, I like it as it allows V to get a completely fresh start. Travel the world, spend time with Kerry or Judy (for my male V). Travel with Misty. Maybe take up a position at NUSA or just become a Nomad. It's the closest thing to freedom that we really get. My V treated it as a moment of reflection, to start actually living life (similar to the Temperance ending).

V went down as a legend. No need to chase old ambitions. Set your sights on new horizons.

[Miguelito]

I would choose were you send Song to the moon, the other ending were you become an NPC is a deception where your only friends after all the ♥♥♥♥ you got through were Viktor and Misty, the others just dont give a damn you were in a coma for 2 years, thats fking sad.