What's up with Oda since 2.0 ?

[Glenmoryl]

I've always played this game on very hard. I've started a new very hard playthrough last week after the release of 2.0 update. I have now reached the Oda boss fight. And god what have they done ?? I'm level 35, level 20 intel tree, level 20 technical tree. I've maxed out the technical weapon tree, cyberware and quick hacks tree as well. I have a lot of armor (for my level) around 800.
For the most part the fight is alright it was like it used to be jumping around on the platforms doing dmg with my hacks and weapons bur everytime Oda uses his long range smart weapons I get instantly killed, like in less than a second. As soon as i hear the first shot being fired I'm dead. Even when I'm on the lower level with more cover the bullets goes through the walls. Is this a bug or a new balancing issue since 2.0 ?
I still managed to save before the mission so I can come back later with a higher level. But still, I already have level 5+ weapons and Cyberware. I feel like even if I come back after level 50 I'll get my ass handed to me again. Or maybe my build just sucks...

[Meme Turtle]

Oda is still one of the easiest bosses in the game. Cripple movement->headshot through the wall. The entire fight is over in 3 secoonds.

[Traj]

Publicado originalmente por Rosh+:

i do feel like players who don't use body+reflex+technical are punished severely on the harder difficulties in general. however, we must also admit that stealth AS a stealth character is completely braindead and easy, especially with optical camo. considering that you can just disengage from combat at will and 'stealth kill' the bosses easily, i don't see much of an issue here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Zq6necgmU

this method still works, and fits more snugly into a ninja/netrunner niche. same tactics can also be used on adam smasher.

That video is quite clever, but also seems more like an exploit. Braindead, indeed.

My last playthrough, about a year ago, I was melee and heavy weapons with some stealth to get in close to start out with a bash or slice. I got through the game on very hard without this much difficulty, so I'm kind of trapped into playing the same way again.

I just loaded the my save where Oda destroys me and at level 38 and 50 street cred, I have 20 int, 11 body, 7 reflexes, 6 tech, 15 cool. I blame the Dalmain merge for my early heavy int decision, but I wanted to get more into netrunning this time anyway. Maybe I'm just too spread out with that build.

My current save where I took down Oda fairly easily with a shotgun and incendiary grenades, is a pure 20 to body only build. I have 20 body, 3 reflex, 3 tech, 3 int, and 3 cool at level 38 with 50 street cred. I have 27 unspent attribute points. You literally need only body to take out Oda. I'm half tempted to see how far I can get in the game now with using only 20 in body and watching the unspent attributes climb..

[Orange]

I can confirm using an earlier save made this fight very survivable. Before this guy was melting my health with one attack sequence. People are definitely experiencing a bug. I used the save before I entered the elevator. The autosave in the boss room isn’t reliable. Also I recommend enabling dash is almost a must for this fight. I’m not specialized yet.

[AquaDuck]

I literally cannot damage him and he completely ignores my quickhacks that disables his vision, movement, and cyberware.

I managed to score 7 hits directly in his face with a 300 dmg sniper and that brought his health down to 99% from 100%, then it jumped back to 100% so I guess he heals automatically?

And of course he oneshots me because I don't have a tank build.

[vtr]

Just to confirm here, the fight is 100% bugged. The bug is that his damage gets compounded if you reload the checkpoint inside the fight. If you do that, you'll die in one hit, even from the smart weapon. If you reload outside the fight it does way less damage.

[Nyeck, Elden Lord]

The Errata katana makes this fight extremely easy. I burned him down (literally), in like less than 5 minutes. The Errata katana wasn't upgraded either, so. If you're having trouble, use the Errata katana.

[AquaDuck]

Publicado originalmente por AquaDuck:

I literally cannot damage him and he completely ignores my quickhacks that disables his vision, movement, and cyberware.

I managed to score 7 hits directly in his face with a 300 dmg sniper and that brought his health down to 99% from 100%, then it jumped back to 100% so I guess he heals automatically?

And of course he oneshots me because I don't have a tank build.

It has to be bugged, I ended up lowering the difficulty from high to normal and saw no change, then once more to easy and the fight was over in 2 minutes with my shots doing ~10% damage and I was able to tank most of the previously instakill homing bullets.

My control quickhacks still had absolutely no effect on him, but because it was on easy I could just run around and pop regen to counter it.

[Blink4aMoment]

Publicado originalmente por Senna:

Publicado originalmente por PerLindstrom:

If you level up, Oda will to.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Level Scaling.
Try to set game difficulty to easy.

So aside from $ for cyberware & maybe buying gear that has armor.. what's the point in doing any side stuff?
There's side quests, NCPD scanners, cars falling from the sky, Cyberpsycos, Gigs, etc.. What's the point?

Are you okay? You just listed the reason's to play the content, not to mention it's content in a game you paid for. Why not opt into it? Many of these things have unique weapons, clothing, and vehicles are locked behind them. As you level up you get access to cyberware and perks that change the way you play. What's the issue? That you can actually have fun in Watson at level 30? That you can wander anywhere you like at any level and expect a fair challenge? That the guns and clothes feel more like products and less like a packet of numbers to be discarded? Were you only playing the side content because the bosses were filtering you in the main story? That's a pretty weird motive to play a side quest considering you could toggle the difficulty down and go on with your life.

[Glenmoryl]

Publicado originalmente por vtr:

Just to confirm here, the fight is 100% bugged. The bug is that his damage gets compounded if you reload the checkpoint inside the fight. If you do that, you'll die in one hit, even from the smart weapon. If you reload outside the fight it does way less damage.

It is in fact as I suspected a bug. I suggest you manualy save the game before entering the boss arena and not reload the latest automatic save when you die. As i experienced and many other players, the smart bullet phase won't oneshot you (even through cover) anymore

[$CRWD]

Publicado originalmente por Glenmor:

Publicado originalmente por vtr:

Just to confirm here, the fight is 100% bugged. The bug is that his damage gets compounded if you reload the checkpoint inside the fight. If you do that, you'll die in one hit, even from the smart weapon. If you reload outside the fight it does way less damage.

It is in fact as I suspected a bug. I suggest you manualy save the game before entering the boss arena and not reload the latest automatic save when you die. As i experienced and many other players, the smart bullet phase won't oneshot you (even through cover) anymore

What an incredibly sinister boss fight mechanic. Every death makes the fight harder. Bahahaha. I say we keep it in now knowing how it works.

[WHEREAMI]

On Hard I killed him super easily with Overlock and Synapse Burnout.
But Smasher kicked the ♥♥♥♥ out of me when I tried to do the same with him.

[Jim Eagle]

You definitely can't just steamroll Oda anymore like before but he is beatable with any build; the key is to RUN AWAY! Hit and run, make use of the leveled room (I hope you have tendons at this point) and then find him and interrupt his healing when he hides.

[Mander]

I challenged him to an honourable duel: his mantis blade vs my monowire.
I won thanks to the hack I installed in the monowire. Poor guy was a walk in the park at level cap.
Very hard is very hard, but Oda isn’t really an obstacle imo…
Adam Smasher on the other hand has become a monster… finally.

[♠.brT]

I did this mission on very hard, and it wasn't very hard. It was a little bit harder than prior to 2.0, but really nothing special, compared to some of the fights from DogTown for instance, Oda was a piece of cake.

Really the only thing for me about Oda's fight was that it took longer, because he's a bit more of a threat now than he was prior to 2.0, so i did had to run away from him, and hide. I got a little bit confused with this fight initially because he can cloak up and regen his health, which i didn't even knew he could do that - not sure if this was added in 2.0 or it has always been this way, goes to show to just how easy he was prior to 2.0 that i genuinely don't know if he was capable of this back then, because prior to 2.0 i was able to kill him so quickly.

But anyway, once i realized that i couldn't just hide from him i needed to hunt him down, that is exactly what i did. I did as a maxed out netrunner, - Oda was basically half health within the first few seconds of the fight starting thanks to all the quickhacks i used, but after that it was a bit of a game of cat and mouse as i had to run away from him, and thanks to the cyberware that gives me double jump it was very easy to run away from. And he would also run a away from me when he started to take too much damage, and i had to go look for him and stop his regen.

Anyway i was a little bit worried going into this fight thanks to some of the comments i've seen people make about the new Oda, and after going through i have to say I was somehow disappointed. He's definitely harder than he used to be, but nothing special.

[Battosai]

Publicado originalmente por Senna:

Publicado originalmente por PerLindstrom:

If you level up, Oda will to.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Level Scaling.
Try to set game difficulty to easy.

So aside from $ for cyberware & maybe buying gear that has armor.. what's the point in doing any side stuff?
There's side quests, NCPD scanners, cars falling from the sky, Cyberpsycos, Gigs, etc.. What's the point?

depending on the timing of when you do the side missions it will generally help you by leveling your 'skills' things like headhunter, shinobi, enginneer, etc. this is good because they have a lot of level dependent perks that only come with high level (lvl 60 shinobi is a dmg increase and no stamina usg in sande for example).

other than that i've read how some people will grind all the watson missions and regina missions early to get levels, then around lvl 26-30 they do all the scanners to get as much chance for cyberware capacity shards as possible. some of them save scum the scanners for better rng on the shards. i have seen someone with base vanilla game have over 520 cyberware capacity from this method lol

there are also some weapons that you only get from defeating / looting a certain area. the agaou throwing axe for example spawns in a 'increased criminal activity' area in dogtown iirc