Worst game ever, made even worse with PL

[Commissioner Jean Claude Van Dan]

Boy, where to start.
PL really turned a bad game, to a depressing pile of crap.
No matter now what you do, you get even worse endings then before.
You're paying to get slapped in the face harder.
50% of the story in PL is fine, but after that it drops off a cliff, no really new ideas. This is ringing alarm bells in my head for Cyberpunk 2077 2 because the who idea of there are no happy endings in Night City is a load of rubbish btw, Edge Runners had a happy ending, sure there were many bad parts to it, but someones dream come true.
Issue for me with Cyberpunk 2077 (from a writing perspective) Is. No matter what you do, you can never find a resolution for V, it forces you to come to terms with his/her fate, this is bad story telling, no one wants to spend 40-100 hours in a game for that sort of limited choice at the end. Well no one at least who likes dry humping themselves with a malfunctioning Joy toy.
I really enjoyed the Dog Town as a space, felt interesting. But it's small nature felt very underwhelming.
SongBird was really shallow or at least come across as that to me.
Reed was more fleshed out, but boy is he stupid for a secret agent.
Best char overall was Alex by a mile, but we get to see almost nothing from them. Oh and if you keep her alive, she hates you, so dramatic (Sarcasm).
Rosalind Myers was great, I really liked her and the interaction with V, but just as it got going it was cut short, which is a big theme in this expansion.
Can't say much more in this forum about how I feel as I would be going into spoilers and I wouldn't want to do that to anyone.
Overall, I give this a solid 4 out of 10. I base all my reviews from CDPR of their own standards so basing this off Blood and Wine, which is the gold standard for expansions imo from the company.

[Zebedee]

That you thought Edgerunners had a happy ending is possibly why I disagree with a lot else you posted there.) Just out of curiosity, did you think Case had a happy ending in Neuromancer?

[Commissioner Jean Claude Van Dan]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

That you thought Edgerunners had a happy ending is possibly why I disagree with a lot else you posted there.) Just out of curiosity, did you think Case had a happy ending in Neuromancer?

Debatable, Much more than Edgerunners.
Lucy in Edge runners has a happy ending. She fulfils her dream, sure at a massive cost, but David was willing to do that for her. It was also happy because so many came together to help one persons dream come true, sure at a high cost but in a place like night city, sometimes it takes many people to push someone out of the hell space.
Neuromancer is a lot more open to interpretation due to it's nature of AI and inbuilt illusions that book deals with.

EDIT: I am fine with a Tragedy story, in a book or a movie, they work, because of their finite space they exist in.
But in a video game, where you invest so much time and effort, for no good outcomes to exist no matter what you do, really turns it from a video game, into a ♥♥♥♥ life simulator and sorry, that is something I get little to no enjoyment from.

[ele]

Definitely not worst game ever, especially with games like Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 still being released but I'm not into 2.0 or PL for sure. Base game on release was a lot more interesting.

[Commissioner Jean Claude Van Dan]

Originally posted by ele:

Definitely not worst game ever, especially with games like Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 still being released but I'm not into 2.0 or PL for sure. Base game on release was a lot more interesting.

I am basing my views on other titles from the Devs, I thought I made that clear at the end.
Clearly it isn't the worst game ever, as in all games ever made. That would be ridiculous.

[ele]

Oh, opposite for me. Only decent game they have for sure. Witcher 3 was so bad I could never understand why it was released.

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Jean Claude Van Dan:

Debatable, Much more than Edgerunners.
Lucy in Edge runners has a happy ending. She fulfils her dream, sure at a massive cost, but David was willing to do that for her. It was also happy because so many came together to help one persons dream come true, sure at a high cost but in a place like night city, sometimes it takes many people to push someone out of the hell space.
Neuromancer is a lot more open to interpretation sue to it's nature of AI and inbuilt illusions that book deals with.

EDIT: I am fine with a Tragedy story, in a book or a movie, they work, because of their finite space they exist in.
But in a video game, where you invest so much time and effort, for no good outcomes to exist no matter what you do, really turns it from a video game, into a ♥♥♥♥ life simulator and sorry, that is something I get little to no enjoyment from.

Was just curious. Cos I see Edgerunners as at best very bitter sweet that Lucy's dream had come at the cost it did. For me, Case's ending is all kinds of ambiguous, especially with Molly. It's like an ending to this game which leaves Night City with a romantic partner, yes, it's a good thing in itself but there's been a huge cost and there's uncertainty to the future still.

The endings to this game are purest cyberpunk genre trope though, so I can see the criticism there. And I definitely hear you on the level of personal response to it and expectations from 'entertainment'. Just happen to disagree. Thanks for posting a bit more about how you see things.

[Ropey]

Your life must suck if you think this is the worst game ever. lol

[Commissioner Jean Claude Van Dan]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

Originally posted by Jean Claude Van Dan:

Debatable, Much more than Edgerunners.
Lucy in Edge runners has a happy ending. She fulfils her dream, sure at a massive cost, but David was willing to do that for her. It was also happy because so many came together to help one persons dream come true, sure at a high cost but in a place like night city, sometimes it takes many people to push someone out of the hell space.
Neuromancer is a lot more open to interpretation sue to it's nature of AI and inbuilt illusions that book deals with.

EDIT: I am fine with a Tragedy story, in a book or a movie, they work, because of their finite space they exist in.
But in a video game, where you invest so much time and effort, for no good outcomes to exist no matter what you do, really turns it from a video game, into a ♥♥♥♥ life simulator and sorry, that is something I get little to no enjoyment from.

Was just curious. Cos I see Edgerunners as at best very bitter sweet that Lucy's dream had come at the cost it did. For me, Case's ending is all kinds of ambiguous, especially with Molly. It's like an ending to this game which leaves Night City with a romantic partner, yes, it's a good thing in itself but there's been a huge cost and there's uncertainty to the future still.

The endings to this game are purest cyberpunk genre trope though, so I can see the criticism there. And I definitely hear you on the level of personal response to it and expectations from 'entertainment'. Just happen to disagree. Thanks for posting a bit more about how you see things.

Yeah, like all things in life, it's all subjective. I love stories of all sorts and can totally get invested in anything is the writing is good enough.
Btw, this writing in this story isn't that bad, it isn't the best in class for sure, but it's solid.
For me the thing falls apart from it's structure and how it uses it's chars. Also the application it uses for story telling in a video game, where you have to make the player feel valued.
Also thanks for responding in an intelligent and meaningful way,

[Commissioner Jean Claude Van Dan]

Originally posted by Ropey:

Your life must suck if you think this is the worst game ever. lol

You need to read the last part of what I Said.