third person update?

[Circle]

third person was promised for cyberpunk before release. now you had plenty of time for a dlc, so it better contain all the false promises.

[Rabidnid]

Never happening officially. There is a mod.

[Simple Kind of Man]

ya i am going to need a link to were they promised 3rd person,,,,,

[CloudSeeker]

That promise was also retracted before release. So it is rather unfair to make that accusation. Just because you never seen the retraction or is ignoring the retraction does not mean it is a promise broken.
It just isn't possible because of how the game actually works.

The thing about having seamless third and first person is actually pretty hard. As far as I know only Bethesda games can handle that as their engine was built to do that since Morrowind back 2002.
However the downside is that you kind of get gameplay that suck on both sides.
First person will never be perfect as it can not be polished around the fact that you will not always be in first person.
Third person will also never be perfect for the same reason.

Just look at Skyrim for example. The combat pretty much suck compared to other games even for the time.
You do not have the third person mechanics like in something from Dark Souls as Dark Souls should be unplayable in first person.
You will also not have stuff like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic simply as those mechanics should not be possible in third person unless you add markers that just do everything using scripts.
What Skyrim has is extremely generic and simple ranged attacks and slapping enemies with pool noodles.
Even Fallout 4 has the same exact problem as melee combat is pretty much the same as it is in Skyrim. Doesn't matter what weapon you have. You are just holding a pool noodle that you slap enemies with.


Fact is that many mechanics should not be possible as they exist at this game at this moment if third and first person was a thing. There is a reason why the third person mod do not work when you pull your weapons out. The choice CDPR had was to either have bad third and first person gameplay, or choose one or the other. They made the choose to choose first person over third person for good reasons.

[Circle]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

That promise was also retracted before release. So it is rather unfair to make that accusation. Just because you never seen the retraction or is ignoring the retraction does not mean it is a promise broken.
It just isn't possible because of how the game actually works.

The thing about having seamless third and first person is actually pretty hard. As far as I know only Bethesda games can handle that as their engine was built to do that since Morrowind back 2002.
However the downside is that you kind of get gameplay that suck on both sides.
First person will never be perfect as it can not be polished around the fact that you will not always be in first person.
Third person will also never be perfect for the same reason.

Just look at Skyrim for example. The combat pretty much suck compared to other games even for the time.
You do not have the third person mechanics like in something from Dark Souls as Dark Souls should be unplayable in first person.
You will also not have stuff like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic simply as those mechanics should not be possible in third person unless you add markers that just do everything using scripts.
What Skyrim has is extremely generic and simple ranged attacks and slapping enemies with pool noodles.
Even Fallout 4 has the same exact problem as melee combat is pretty much the same as it is in Skyrim. Doesn't matter what weapon you have. You are just holding a pool noodle that you slap enemies with.


Fact is that many mechanics should not be possible as they exist at this game at this moment if third and first person was a thing. There is a reason why the third person mod do not work when you pull your weapons out. The choice CDPR had was to either have bad third and first person gameplay, or choose one or the other. They made the choose to choose first person over third person for good reasons.

You just said promising something and then unmaking that promise is okay, lol. imagine saying that, shame on you.

And yes there are many games with third and first person, not just fallout.
From jedi academy to gta 5 and those start wars battlefield games, crysis 1 etc.
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

The reason why cp2077 doesnt have third person or third person cutscenes, is because they didnt finish the animations for the character, hence why mirrors are deactivated and you have no reflection in ray tracing. they did bother making an animation when you interact with mirrors tho same for riding the bike and car.

[Muikku]

Yeah that was never promised

[Crimsomrider]

3rd person is not going to be a thing and this was known years before the game's actual release.

Cyberpunk 2077's quest designer Patrick Mills confirmed this back in 2018 and talked a lot about why they went exclusively with 1st person view for immersion reasons in order to bring the world of Cyberpunk seamlessly to life through V's own point of view and why they won't add 3rd person.

With Witcher 3, you're playing Geralt and you're watching Geralt. You're controlling Geralt. He's a character, right? He's somebody who already exists.

In this game (Cyberpunk 2077) we wanted to put you in the shoes and in the body of the character you're controlling, so you feel like this is your character. First-person was one way to do that.

Additionally, you have a greater immersion and we can do some environmental stuff from first-person that you wouldn't be able to do in third-person. If nothing else, I think it's going to be really cool when you're walking around the city and you look up, which is something that in third-person doesn't really feel right. To really experience that verticality you need a first-person perspective.

We are firm in that decision. However, we’re very aware that a lot of people don’t like first-person and there is a small number of people who can’t play first-person for a variety of reasons.

There are also others on the team as well, such as Pawel Sasko, who talk about it in more detail and how difficult it was to accomplish a seamless first-person open-world RPG in comparison to Witcher 3 which was a piece of cake to design in comparison.

So hardly a promise and hardly a surprise. The design choice was known years before the game's actual launch.

[orcaa]

Originally posted by Circle:

third person was promised for cyberpunk before release. now you had plenty of time for a dlc, so it better contain all the false promises.

And here we have another person with the " promises and expectations " theme in their post. This never goes anywhere nice. There have been many other threads just like this many times in the past.

[Meatsac]

I don't know how well this mod works (haven't tried it yet). Some have reported installation & use issues - However, I guess a modder "hhhheeeghyth" created a tutorial on how to install & run it correctly (those new to mods, make sure to install required mods first).

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4971?tab=description

[Titan Awaken]

Originally posted by Circle:

third person was promised for cyberpunk before release. now you had plenty of time for a dlc, so it better contain all the false promises.

On the contrary, if you had done any basic degree of research, they made it clear 2 and a 1/2 years BEFORE RELEASE that the game was going to be first-person only[www.eurogamer.net]. If that’s still not clear enough for you, they announced this back in JUNE, 2018.

The only time when third-person existed was during the pre-alpha prototype builds when they literally did not have complete textures for entire models and surfaces (because that’s how early in development they were). And the only reason why third-person was present in those pre-alpha builds was because it was a placeholder, ie. A temporary object or thing that carries no significance in itself and exists only to fulfil an obligatory role/position before getting replaced.

They made a promise that the game was going to be FIRST-person and they kept it. You can love it or you can hate it but it does not change the fact that the game was designed very early on to be in first-person.

This whole third-person squabble is just a load of disinformation.

[orcaa]

Originally posted by Titan Awaken:

Originally posted by Circle:

third person was promised for cyberpunk before release. now you had plenty of time for a dlc, so it better contain all the false promises.

On the contrary, if you had done any basic degree of research, they made it clear 2 and a 1/2 years BEFORE RELEASE that the game was going to be first-person only[www.eurogamer.net]. If that’s still not clear enough for you, they announced this back in JUNE, 2018.

The only time when third-person existed was during the pre-alpha prototype builds when they literally did not have complete textures for entire models and surfaces (because that’s how early in development they were). And the only reason why third-person was present in those pre-alpha builds was because it was a placeholder, ie. A temporary object or thing that carries no significance in itself and exists only to fulfil an obligatory role/position before getting replaced.

They made a promise that the game was going to be FIRST-person and they kept it. You can love it or you can hate it but it does not change the fact that the game was designed very early on to be in first-person.

This whole third-person squabble is just a load of disinformation.

well said !

[iamcll]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

That promise was also retracted before release. So it is rather unfair to make that accusation. Just because you never seen the retraction or is ignoring the retraction does not mean it is a promise broken.
It just isn't possible because of how the game actually works.

The thing about having seamless third and first person is actually pretty hard. As far as I know only Bethesda games can handle that as their engine was built to do that since Morrowind back 2002.
However the downside is that you kind of get gameplay that suck on both sides.
First person will never be perfect as it can not be polished around the fact that you will not always be in first person.
Third person will also never be perfect for the same reason.

Just look at Skyrim for example. The combat pretty much suck compared to other games even for the time.
You do not have the third person mechanics like in something from Dark Souls as Dark Souls should be unplayable in first person.
You will also not have stuff like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic simply as those mechanics should not be possible in third person unless you add markers that just do everything using scripts.
What Skyrim has is extremely generic and simple ranged attacks and slapping enemies with pool noodles.
Even Fallout 4 has the same exact problem as melee combat is pretty much the same as it is in Skyrim. Doesn't matter what weapon you have. You are just holding a pool noodle that you slap enemies with.


Fact is that many mechanics should not be possible as they exist at this game at this moment if third and first person was a thing. There is a reason why the third person mod do not work when you pull your weapons out. The choice CDPR had was to either have bad third and first person gameplay, or choose one or the other. They made the choose to choose first person over third person for good reasons.

I just want to inject here and say lmao modders did it for cyberpunk already.... It literally can work with all mechanics given some time and effort, That's a fact.

[Draconifors]

As others already pointed out, third person was never promised. This topic never goes anywhere good or even productive, especially with an opening like that.

Please refrain from posting accusations.

Thread locked.