Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberpunk 2077

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DezertPunK Jun 29, 2023 @ 11:29pm
Is the game depressing?(minor spoiler)
I was planning on playing Cyberpunk 2077 but after watching Edgerunners I'm not sure. If you enjoyed the anime I'm not saying you're wrong but I absolutely hated it. Personally I'm not a fan of media who's writers mistake depressing twists for complex writing but when I was younger I use to enjoy that kind of thing.
Anyways I was hoping those of you who have finished the game could tell me if it has the same kind of story that makes me hate life.
Thanks for any info:cybereye:
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Nimarus Jun 30, 2023 @ 12:04am 
I haven't watched Edgerunners, but I have seen clips and know roughly how it ends. I'd say it's not as depressing as Edgerunners. Edgerunners actually looked a lot more depressing. There are multiple endings you can get, some are considered depressing while others not so much.

I remember there was a poll on CDPR's Official Forum where about 70% of users wanted to see a DLC that added a new ending that was happier. I remember some coin the term "Broken Steel this game" in reference to Fallout 3's DLC that changed the "You sacrifice yourself to save everyone" ending and extended the storyline.
jedimasterred Jun 30, 2023 @ 12:06am 
2077 has multiple endings one of them is highly depressing, a couple are bittersweet, one was mostly positive, imo. You unlock endings based on how much game content you complete and what conversation choices you make.

without giving too much the default is the depressing ending. so if you just do the story missions and no side missions you will end up with the depressing ending as the default. one mission has conversation choices that can unlock one of the bittersweet endings.

there are guides that can guide you to the better endings telling you which missions to do and what conversation choices to pick.

There's a dlc coming out that's going to add another ending. no news on what kind.
Zero McDol Jun 30, 2023 @ 12:26am 
The main story is pretty depressing to me.

It does nothing but constantly remind me that V is going to dieat every opportunity. To me, that's depressing, and the main reason why I have yet to play to an ending. It basically just says to me, play this person and no matter what, it won't matter.
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DezertPunK Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:12am 
Originally posted by Zero McDol:
The main story is pretty depressing to me.

It does nothing but constantly remind me that V is going to dieat every opportunity. To me, that's depressing, and the main reason why I have yet to play to an ending. It basically just says to me, play this person and no matter what, it won't matter.
Thank you, i usually avoid spoilers but I've never enjoyed depressing endings so I appreciate the honesty. Cyberpunk 2077 will probably stay in my backlog no matter how much they fix it up.
DezertPunK Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:14am 
Originally posted by Nimarus:
I haven't watched Edgerunners, but I have seen clips and know roughly how it ends. I'd say it's not as depressing as Edgerunners. Edgerunners actually looked a lot more depressing. There are multiple endings you can get, some are considered depressing while others not so much.

I remember there was a poll on CDPR's Official Forum where about 70% of users wanted to see a DLC that added a new ending that was happier. I remember some coin the term "Broken Steel this game" in reference to Fallout 3's DLC that changed the "You sacrifice yourself to save everyone" ending and extended the storyline.
I'm actually playing through Fallout 3 right now. Was walking up to Tenpenny Tower while reading this.
CursedPanther Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:06am 
Thing is the premise of the CP2077 universe is just not a happy or carefree one. So even if you make all the right choices in the story campaign and make it out in mostly one piece, you're still another guy surviving in the sh*thole that is Night City. There's no Cinderella-esque 'live happily ever after' unless Mike Pondsmith rewrites the entire Cyberpunk lore which we know won't ever happen.

Bottom line, this isn't the game that you play to improve your mental health.
Graf Erik Jun 30, 2023 @ 7:11am 
Well, its a Cyberpunk game. There are no happy endings in a cyberpunk setting. Noone lives happily ever after in a cyberpunk world.

Some ending are pretty dark, some are okayish. I mean, there are two endings were you make it out alive. It doesn't get any better.

"yeah we lost everything
we had to pay the price"

How it started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN1RJF55NXI

How it ends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4bKZT_Eg4A
snake1kl Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:22am 
the only ending that made sense to me was siding with hanako arasaka and takemura. As long as they hold their promise to give you a new body that can work for you, you will be able to get a second chance and get the support of one of the most powerful corporations on the planet.
Death Approaches Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:27am 
That's not depressing that's life in Night City !!

There's a sentence that is burned into your head if you play the tabletop, to make sure you always kill off over-powered or really built up characters that are having an easy time of it...

THE FUTURE IS DISPOSABLE

You frequently just kill off players characters when they're too good, or just run their mouths too much. "Nope sorry you're gone, you wanna tear that character sheet or you want me to do it?" :moxes: You are in fact encouraged to do so, and no one who actually understands the game, gets mad about this. As long as it wasn't vindictive, a gamerunner who's got a grudge, that's how it's played. You are disposable. Your crew, your choombas, are remembered for their glorious deaths! Not how they lived.

So if that bothers you? Yes it's depressing I guess. As depressing as reality, anyway.

I hate the fact the PC/console version players don't grasp this, that there's not perma-death that erases all your saves. Maybe like 6 deaths "lives" since you could have a certain chrome that stands you back up magically if you get near 0 health, fixing all your injuries instantly (yawn). Because sure why not?

But at least with a line of 6 skulls at the top with half of them already blacked out, might drive home that you're going to die, soon, and nothing matters. People could cheat to give themselves lives bcak, but the fact they had to cheat will be fine, it still brings home the point "ah frackin' scop I was about to die!".

:6thstreet:Death Approaches:6thstreet:
Tokenn Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:36am 
I was initially bummed out by pretty well all the endings...V is doomed, no way out. I have come to understand that it's not trying to escape the tragedy of life that's important, but rather how you stand up against inevitable fate.

In the company of loyal, loving friends? Taking a determined step into the great unknown beyond mortal life? iron in hand, fighting to the end, with companions or alone? A resigned rejection of a doomed life? There may be no really good choices, but some may be better than others. It's pretty deep...
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Zero McDol Jun 30, 2023 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by DezertPunK:
Originally posted by Zero McDol:
The main story is pretty depressing to me.

It does nothing but constantly remind me that V is going to dieat every opportunity. To me, that's depressing, and the main reason why I have yet to play to an ending. It basically just says to me, play this person and no matter what, it won't matter.
Thank you, i usually avoid spoilers but I've never enjoyed depressing endings so I appreciate the honesty. Cyberpunk 2077 will probably stay in my backlog no matter how much they fix it up.
There's a new ending in the works, but we have no info on it. It will come with the Phantom Liberty expansion. Fingers crossed that the game gets something a little more hopeful :steamthumbsup:.
Skram Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:57pm 
Originally posted by DezertPunK:
Originally posted by Tokenn:
I was initially bummed out by pretty well all the endings...V is doomed, no way out. I have come to understand that it's not trying to escape the tragedy of life that's important, but rather how you stand up against inevitable fate.

In the company of loyal, loving friends? Taking a determined step into the great unknown beyond mortal life? iron in hand, fighting to the end, with companions or alone? A resigned rejection of a doomed life? There may be no really good choices, but some may be better than others. It's pretty deep...
Deep like an edgy 14 year old...
I've sat back and listened to most everyone who responded act like this is some really meaningful way to write but it's just a cheap, easy way to get an emotional response. In regards to the game I can't fully comment but it doesn't sound all that profound. As far as the anime is concerned it's a joke. None of the characters get enough respect before they're used as cheap emotion triggers. I don't hate the subject of death and loss in media as long as it's handled correctly. If you want your readers to lose someone they are emotionally invested in you need to take the time and have respect for both the subject and the reader, otherwise your just being edgy. Japanese animation has a big problem with this and it looks like Mike Pondsmith does as well.
Not all media needs you to spend 40+ hours with a character to feel a connection to them nor do they have to be a stand-up citizen.

Yes, emotion can be drawn from an audience from cheap events (like a dog getting killed) but you can also draw emotion pretty quickly with relatable experiences that the viewer might have experienced. Without going into spoilers for OP, there is a character in the game who ends up taking their own life and another character you can get to know is the one who finds their body and breaks down. Now this character who died, we had only a handful of scenes with but it can still hit insanely hard for someone who has ever lost a loved one in such a way, does that inherently make it "cheap"? No, media beyond surface level requires context and subtext.

Part of cyberpunk media is the deeper human element, which relates to our own mortality and how we accept or process it, especially in a setting where spirituality is all but gone, so yes, v constantly bringing up how they are probably going to die unless they find a fix is warranted. A huge portion of the game is about connecting with others in a way that most in the setting can't even begin to imagine. Hence why one of the endings people enjoy the most is the one where V leaves night city with a nomad clan as they are really the only group in society that still has social strands that resemble a family with the nomad clan swearing to help you find a cure if possible.

Likewise in edgerunners, yes the crew are outcasts and scumbags but at the end of the day, they have each other and to David, that means everything. So while the impact of a character dying may not stir a reaction out of you, it adds up to how you feel about David. And we've already established in the setting that life has no value to most people so to see his reaction is more important than the death itself.

If you don't want to play it because of second-hand accounts, that's fine, all the power to you. But don't act like you know/understand the game and discount it as "edgy" just because of the mood it initially sets.
Likewise, I could easy just discount fallout 3 as a cheap jab at trying to be deep with a random biblical reference or unimpactful deaths.
Btw haven't played fallout 3 since it first came out so maybe I should replay it and see if I still feel that way.
You get my point.
Last edited by Skram; Jun 30, 2023 @ 3:04pm
Buldor Jun 30, 2023 @ 3:04pm 
Originally posted by DezertPunK:
I was planning on playing Cyberpunk 2077 but after watching Edgerunners I'm not sure. If you enjoyed the anime I'm not saying you're wrong but I absolutely hated it. Personally I'm not a fan of media who's writers mistake depressing twists for complex writing but when I was younger I use to enjoy that kind of thing.
Anyways I was hoping those of you who have finished the game could tell me if it has the same kind of story that makes me hate life.
Thanks for any info:cybereye:

There is a difference between seeing depressing = complex, and depressing + complex. Either way, not your setting. Cyberpunk settings are genuinely all about depressing settings. Amazingly, you can't write about an evil corporation devaluing life to the point of almost worthlessness, and it be as happy as a Disney movie.

Not all games are for all people. You disliked Edgerunner. I dislike you for disliking it. Does that make both of you bad products? No. It is opinion and personal taste. Same here. You said you don't like Cyberpunk games essentially, so no you will not like this Cyberpunk game. If you said you hated banana flavours, and then asked if you should eat a banana, I would also recommend the answer of "no".
Zero McDol Jun 30, 2023 @ 3:22pm 
Originally posted by Buldor:
Originally posted by DezertPunK:
I was planning on playing Cyberpunk 2077 but after watching Edgerunners I'm not sure. If you enjoyed the anime I'm not saying you're wrong but I absolutely hated it. Personally I'm not a fan of media who's writers mistake depressing twists for complex writing but when I was younger I use to enjoy that kind of thing.
Anyways I was hoping those of you who have finished the game could tell me if it has the same kind of story that makes me hate life.
Thanks for any info:cybereye:

There is a difference between seeing depressing = complex, and depressing + complex. Either way, not your setting. Cyberpunk settings are genuinely all about depressing settings. Amazingly, you can't write about an evil corporation devaluing life to the point of almost worthlessness, and it be as happy as a Disney movie.

Not all games are for all people. You disliked Edgerunner. I dislike you for disliking it. Does that make both of you bad products? No. It is opinion and personal taste. Same here. You said you don't like Cyberpunk games essentially, so no you will not like this Cyberpunk game. If you said you hated banana flavours, and then asked if you should eat a banana, I would also recommend the answer of "no".
That's a whole lot of defensiveness over a game, anime, and genre. Just saying.

Also, not every Cyberpunk series, show, movie, or game has extremely dark endings, plenty are grey. In any case, another ending is being worked on; perhaps it will lean more towards a grey ending.
Zebedee Jun 30, 2023 @ 4:04pm 
The dark joke in the early '80s, fear of nuclear apocalypse being a big thing, was that cyberpunk was the optimist's take on the future because humanity survives...

I don't think it's a truly bleak game. One of the themes to the story is escape, and the story can deliver on that in an ambiguously optimistic way depending on what you do (who you do? *cough*). But if the basic set-up of cyberpunk isn't for you then a game which leans into every trope of the genre (and beyond) is probably not going to be the sunshine and rainbows you're after.
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