imagine if we could TOGGLE OFF autoupdates

[sushihauva]

to actually play cyberpunk right now

[envirovore]

I suggest buying games from GOG then, as the entire point of Valve making Steam was so that all clients had current updated builds of games across the platform to prevent version conflicts when playing online, and so developers wouldn't have to tell people to update their games manually when they report issues that had been resolved with a patch but hadn't bothered updating. (also so users no longer had to hunt down a bunch of individual patches and apply them manually)

It has it's moments of inconvenience for sure (such as this for a lot of users right now it seems), but I don't miss the old method of hunting down patches via fan forums and applying them one at a time.

[Bonky]

Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

[sushihauva]

Originally posted by envirovore:

I suggest buying games from GOG then, as the entire point of Valve making Steam was so that all clients had current updated builds of games across the platform to prevent version conflicts when playing online, and so developers wouldn't have to tell people to update their games manually when they report issues that had been resolved with a patch but hadn't bothered updating. (also so users no longer had to hunt down a bunch of individual patches and apply them manually)

It has it's moments of inconvenience for sure (such as this for a lot of users right now it seems), but I don't miss the old method of hunting down patches via fan forums and applying them one at a time.

You are mixing the two situations. People being silly and not patching when something is fixed and working is a moment of inconvenience and it can be resolved in minutes.

What we have now is the game doesn't work and we can't do anything about it, we are waiting to access the singleplayer content we paid for.

So there is no need to bring up "when playing online" as we are not talking about a multiplayer game. This is singleplayer. I'd like to use a patch version that works.

We also have the "beta" section in properties, would be nice to be able to choose gameversion there as with some games.

[envirovore]

Originally posted by sushihauva:

Originally posted by envirovore:

I suggest buying games from GOG then, as the entire point of Valve making Steam was so that all clients had current updated builds of games across the platform to prevent version conflicts when playing online, and so developers wouldn't have to tell people to update their games manually when they report issues that had been resolved with a patch but hadn't bothered updating. (also so users no longer had to hunt down a bunch of individual patches and apply them manually)

It has it's moments of inconvenience for sure (such as this for a lot of users right now it seems), but I don't miss the old method of hunting down patches via fan forums and applying them one at a time.

You are mixing the two situations. People being silly and not patching when something is fixed and working is a moment of inconvenience and it can be resolved in minutes.

What we have now is the game doesn't work and we can't do anything about it, we are waiting to access the singleplayer content we paid for.

So there is no need to bring up "when playing online" as we are not talking about a multiplayer game. This is singleplayer. I'd like to use a patch version that works.

We also have the "beta" section in properties, would be nice to be able to choose gameversion there as with some games.

I'm not mixing anything up, merely presented reasons why.
It's why Steam was made, to keep all client versions up to date as easily as possible .whether it's for multiplayer or single player. Ease of use for the customer and for developer, which I know seems counter-intuitive when there's a lot of people that can't launch the game currently due to an update (granted, there's still plenty that can, just generally you'll only hear for users that are having issues with a product more than those that aren't having a problem). However that's always been the nature of PC gaming, some users will have problems with some updates while others won't...and there's a plethora of hardware/software combinations that could be the cause of it.

[The Comedian]

There IS a way to opt out of auto updates on Steam...
Right click on the game in the LHS column of your game library, select Properties, then Updates - and select the option to update only on launch - boom - no more auto updates... If you mod games - set each game this way, and save some aggravation...
I don't understand why people don't do this as standard practice whether you mod a game (essential if you mod games) or not

[Mrbud420 💩]

Originally posted by The Comedian:

I don't understand why people don't do this as standard practice whether you mod a game (essential if you mod games) or not

Because it doesn't work. If it was that easy people wouldn't be complaining.
I'm not going to even explain how that option works its on you to figure out why your wrong.

[The Comedian]

Originally posted by Mrbud420 💩:

Originally posted by The Comedian:

I don't understand why people don't do this as standard practice whether you mod a game (essential if you mod games) or not

Because it doesn't work. If it was that easy people wouldn't be complaining.
I'm not going to even explain how that option works its on you to figure out why your wrong.

No it does work, have been using it for years - I don't need you to explain it to me.
By the way I am playing on a pre-updated game right now with all mods, because I had auto update disabled - so there's that...

[kripcision]

i disable autoupdates/set to only update when launched on all my games.

i'm still on version 1.60, had no reason to update and didnt want to break my mods so i skipped the updates. this game lets you run without steam but you can skip updates by making steam think the game is updated by updating the manifest number in the appmanifest file, and then you can run the game through steam and still get achievements.

[kripcision]

also someone posted how to revert back to the previous update, this should be able to help some of you

If you've modded the game and it crashes, you can revert back to the previous version of the game and use your mods, assuming you haven't tried installing updated versions of the mods.

Open a command window "Run" by pressing «Win + R» and then enter the command: steam://open/console

Then press Enter and paste this into the console to download the previous version of the game to a new location:

download_depot 1091500 1091501 3432449541687557896

Once the command is completed it'll state where it put the files. Typically it's one folder up from common game install, and then go into app_id and depot_#.

For me that would be:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_1091500\depot_1091501

Regular Cyberpunk install-folder default is:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Cyberpunk 2077

Go into the depot folder, select everything with Ctrl+A, press Ctrl+X to cut it out, go to Cyberpunk install-folder and press Ctrl-V, click Yes to overwrite. You may also use Ctrl+C to copy instead of cut (Ctrl+X) but you need to be aware that you leave about a 60GB extra of files on your harddrive if you do.

Set the game in steam to only update when you launch it. Then, play in offline mode by opening a command prompt and entering ipconfig /release

To reenable your network connection open the command prompt and enter ipconfig /renew

[The Comedian]

Originally posted by kripcision:

i set disable to autoupdates on all my games.

i'm still on version 1.60, had no reason to update and didnt want to break my mods so i skipped the updates. this game lets you run without steam but you can skip updates by making steam think the game is updated by updating the manifest number in the appmanifest file, and then you can run the game through steam and still get achievements.

Yep, Personally I am ok with updating once I am happy that the patch is sorted, and mods are updated - but in the case of this patch where there is no real benefit for me in updating - I might go down that route...

[Bishop-Six]

Originally posted by kripcision:

i disable autoupdates/set to only update when launched on all my games.

i'm still on version 1.60, had no reason to update and didnt want to break my mods so i skipped the updates. this game lets you run without steam but you can skip updates by making steam think the game is updated by updating the manifest number in the appmanifest file, and then you can run the game through steam and still get achievements.

I really dont understand what is so difficult for so many people to do it like you, i do the same. Its so easy.

Playing pre 1.61 for months now, no issues, no crashes.

Problem is when casuals starting modding and even think its "part" of the purchased product.

Casuals with lots of garbage on their PC, lots of bad system managment and basically no clue even about how Steam updates are working.

I just say it: When the thing in front of the monitor has not enough skills and understanding for PCs, they shouldnt mod games. But modding is so easy accesible nowadays that literally everyone who barely can push the power button can download and install mods.

But most of them have no clue how to handle those Mods and modded games and then blaming the Devs for it, i mean, that must be a joke right?

Alone the logical part that Devs impossibly cant make an update with all Mods in the world in mind. The Mods need to be updated, not the game fitting for the Mods, how hard to understand can that be?
There is no way any Devs of any game can adapt the game files to Mods they even dont know about!
And because of modding of a game is enabled via Workshop (read:even casuals can manage to click the subscribe button) lots of Noobs are modding their game and are "shocked" when their modded isnt working after an update! Imagine!

Or shall the Devs stop updating games as soon as Mods are available for their game, so that the "i-barely-cant-find-the-power-button" crowd is not upset anymore...

[𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶]

Originally posted by O.Gefr.Löring.363VD:

Originally posted by kripcision:

i disable autoupdates/set to only update when launched on all my games.

i'm still on version 1.60, had no reason to update and didnt want to break my mods so i skipped the updates. this game lets you run without steam but you can skip updates by making steam think the game is updated by updating the manifest number in the appmanifest file, and then you can run the game through steam and still get achievements.

I really dont understand what is so difficult for so many people to do it like you, i do the same. Its so easy.

Playing pre 1.61 for months now, no issues, no crashes.

Problem is when casuals starting modding and even think its "part" of the purchased product.

Casuals with lots of garbage on their PC, lots of bad system managment and basically no clue even about how Steam updates are working.

I just say it: When the thing in front of the monitor has not enough skills and understanding for PCs, they shouldnt mod games. But modding is so easy accesible nowadays that literally everyone who barely can push the power button can download and install mods.

But most of them have no clue how to handle those Mods and modded games and then blaming the Devs for it, i mean, that must be a joke right?

Alone the logical part that Devs impossibly cant make an update with all Mods in the world in mind. The Mods need to be updated, not the game fitting for the Mods, how hard to understand can that be?
There is no way any Devs of any game can adapt the game files to Mods they even dont know about!
And because of modding of a game is enabled via Workshop (read:even casuals can manage to click the subscribe button) lots of Noobs are modding their game and are "shocked" when their modded isnt working after an update! Imagine!

Or shall the Devs stop updating games as soon as Mods are available for their game, so that the "i-barely-cant-find-the-power-button" crowd is not upset anymore...

Sorry but I laughed at what you said, if casual people like you say don't know how to use mods or it's all the fault of those who use mods for changing something in the game then why did the developers release a tool as DLC to insert Mods.. oops sorry, and do you know what changes the mods in a game like this all broken? - Changes everything that the developers never took into consideration in giving casual players what they paid for, taking the mods of extra tools of ease there are dozens of mods that correct or insert in the game what it should have already brought from the beginning or have had at the time over 2 years the developers can thank the modders and casual gamers for being patient and still believing that the game can work better and bring us fun, yet after 2 years without mods the game still buggy and some mods fix it or at least they make us forget that they exist and keep us playing a game that if it weren't for the availability of modders it would already be in the drawer or being played by half a dozen, there are many mods that can bring little to the game, but the least that bring even a breeze it totally changes a game that had no end to be picked up except a beautiful story and map.
. For some reason they released REDMOD or it was to let the dust gather and leave the mods in the drawer and continue to play an incomplete game, if many casual players don't know how to use mods or install too many mods that they don't even know how to use them or what they are for maybe it is to have another game experience and learn how to use them ... no one is born taught , and that gives rise to many good game programming and game content professionals because that also encourages young people to go into the game programming market , and as you can see there are many good casuals creating mods for free to save a game that is not even rightfully theirs just for fun and because they like what they do , and instead of thanking the savers and the casual players who paid for the game and want to have fun with it in the most complete way possible do the opposite , release updates without advance information and ♥♥♥♥ the whole game to casual players who can even become fixed followers of the game o ...don't blame the players when it's not their fault for the ♥♥♥♥ the developers or whoever is behind all this, if it's not them it will be someone leading this.

[Bishop-Six]

Originally posted by 𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶:

Originally posted by O.Gefr.Löring.363VD:

I really dont understand what is so difficult for so many people to do it like you, i do the same. Its so easy.

Playing pre 1.61 for months now, no issues, no crashes.

Problem is when casuals starting modding and even think its "part" of the purchased product.

Casuals with lots of garbage on their PC, lots of bad system managment and basically no clue even about how Steam updates are working.

I just say it: When the thing in front of the monitor has not enough skills and understanding for PCs, they shouldnt mod games. But modding is so easy accesible nowadays that literally everyone who barely can push the power button can download and install mods.

But most of them have no clue how to handle those Mods and modded games and then blaming the Devs for it, i mean, that must be a joke right?

Alone the logical part that Devs impossibly cant make an update with all Mods in the world in mind. The Mods need to be updated, not the game fitting for the Mods, how hard to understand can that be?
There is no way any Devs of any game can adapt the game files to Mods they even dont know about!
And because of modding of a game is enabled via Workshop (read:even casuals can manage to click the subscribe button) lots of Noobs are modding their game and are "shocked" when their modded isnt working after an update! Imagine!

Or shall the Devs stop updating games as soon as Mods are available for their game, so that the "i-barely-cant-find-the-power-button" crowd is not upset anymore...

Sorry but I laughed at what you said, if casual people like you say don't know how to use mods or it's all the fault of those who use mods for changing something in the game then why did the developers release a tool as DLC to insert Mods.. oops sorry, and do you know what changes the mods in a game like this all broken? - Changes everything that the developers never took into consideration in giving casual players what they paid for, taking the mods of extra tools of ease there are dozens of mods that correct or insert in the game what it should have already brought from the beginning or have had at the time over 2 years the developers can thank the modders and casual gamers for being patient and still believing that the game can work better and bring us fun, yet after 2 years without mods the game still buggy and some mods fix it or at least they make us forget that they exist and keep us playing a game that if it weren't for the availability of modders it would already be in the drawer or being played by half a dozen, there are many mods that can bring little to the game, but the least that bring even a breeze it totally changes a game that had no end to be picked up except a beautiful story and map.
. For some reason they released REDMOD or it was to let the dust gather and leave the mods in the drawer and continue to play an incomplete game, if many casual players don't know how to use mods or install too many mods that they don't even know how to use them or what they are for maybe it is to have another game experience and learn how to use them ... no one is born taught , and that gives rise to many good game programming and game content professionals because that also encourages young people to go into the game programming market , and as you can see there are many good casuals creating mods for free to save a game that is not even rightfully theirs just for fun and because they like what they do , and instead of thanking the savers and the casual players who paid for the game and want to have fun with it in the most complete way possible do the opposite , release updates without advance information and ♥♥♥♥ the whole game to casual players who can even become fixed followers of the game o ...don't blame the players when it's not their fault for the ♥♥♥♥ the developers or whoever is behind all this, if it's not them it will be someone leading this.

You just dot understand the fact that Mods are not part of the purchased content and Devs are not responsible for working and updating Mods.

Only because Devs are nice to implement the feature to mod their game, doesnt mean Mods are part of their product.

I have read some comments of you since the update and you are exactly that kind of "User" better buying a PS5 or something.

[Alt]

Originally posted by envirovore:

Originally posted by sushihauva:

You are mixing the two situations. People being silly and not patching when something is fixed and working is a moment of inconvenience and it can be resolved in minutes.

What we have now is the game doesn't work and we can't do anything about it, we are waiting to access the singleplayer content we paid for.

So there is no need to bring up "when playing online" as we are not talking about a multiplayer game. This is singleplayer. I'd like to use a patch version that works.

We also have the "beta" section in properties, would be nice to be able to choose gameversion there as with some games.

I'm not mixing anything up, merely presented reasons why.
It's why Steam was made, to keep all client versions up to date as easily as possible .whether it's for multiplayer or single player. Ease of use for the customer and for developer, which I know seems counter-intuitive when there's a lot of people that can't launch the game currently due to an update (granted, there's still plenty that can, just generally you'll only hear for users that are having issues with a product more than those that aren't having a problem). However that's always been the nature of PC gaming, some users will have problems with some updates while others won't...and there's a plethora of hardware/software combinations that could be the cause of it.

You DO mixing it up. No one asks for return to the old ways of hunting down patches. Stop presenting extremes as an example. You know what is another extreme? Is to force update on people without opt out feature. We had awful "hunting down patches". ANd now we have awful "forced updates" that a lot of the time hurts people. Either update breaks something in the game or it breaks mods. And in current era of gaming a lot of players use mods. Steam already has feature of choosing version of the game. I can play many old versions of Stelaris for example. But for some reason most devs do not use that feature. Release new update and add previous version as an option to roll back to. This should be a standard for the industry. And if devs do not want to do this, Steam should enforce it.

[𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶]

if the developers inserted the best 300 mods into the base of the game without having to be casual players to do it maybe they would only need to install 100 and that would help those who don't know anything about mods but want to play the most complete game possible, we all want to play a game with everything within reach to have a gameplay experience above what the base game doesn't give us, who doesn't? - I may not know anything about mods but I want to have the same experience as those who do, and why not?

and I believe that the best professionals and the most creative minds are those who learn from their own minds