The biggest plot hole in CP77

[Captain Skinny]

... is that somehow a sloppily hired nobody and his noisy friend get hired to work the highest profile heist in modern history, during which the most important/richest man in the world in murdered and you escape said scenario by running out of the building and into a well known and recognizable vehicle and then saunter home to your personal domicile
You can't do that today in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Twenty Two and that's because of iphones and ring doorbells.
How does it make even a lick of sense that V wasn't apprehended like... immediately. And if you feel you have an adequate explination for that, before presenting it I'd like to offer the simple equation: the full weight of the resources in place to keep V anonymous and hidden VS the full weight of the largest, most powerful, richest and least ethical corporation on the planet.

[Njorl]

I'd say that drug abuse, chronic malnutrition and chemical poisoning, along with exposure to radiation has degraded humanity to the point where the average person has an IQ of about 60.
This is a world where there has been almost no innovation in 50 years, just refinement of old technology.
Anyone even approaching what we consider to be average intelligence avoids working for people with power because everyone with power is a complete psychopath who will certainly kill you very soon. The front line security people are barely capable of speech. The upper levels of security are people who, in our world, would be wards of the state.

[Captain Skinny]

Originally posted by Njorl:

I'd say that drug abuse, chronic malnutrition and chemical poisoning, along with exposure to radiation has degraded humanity to the point where the average person has an IQ of about 60.
This is a world where there has been almost no innovation in 50 years, just refinement of old technology.
Anyone even approaching what we consider to be average intelligence avoids working for people with power because everyone with power is a complete psychopath who will certainly kill you very soon. The front line security people are barely capable of speech. The upper levels of security are people who, in our world, would be wards of the state.

But... the people looking for you are not.

[egg fu]

i mean if we're going strictly by story then the whole main story after the heist is suppose to last about a week, maybe even less. arasaka only seems incompetent because of game design. arasaka at the meantime could be gathering information in a city full of millions, that seems plausible to me.

[Titan Awaken]

Spoiler warning. Read on at your own risk if you haven’t already played the game.

I’m not saying the story is 100% airtight and I have my own critiques surrounding continuity. That being said, there are 2 key things you either forgot to consider or deliberately skipped over:

#1: The most important, influential man in the Cyberpunk 2077 world and lore who has lived well over a century just got murdered during that fateful night. Yes, the chip got stolen V and Jackie but don’t you think Arasaka has more pressing matters than chasing a bunch of low life thieves? *cough cough* Saburo f’ing Arasaka just died *cough cough*

As with any sudden vacancy in a very powerful, important position, there is always a resulting power struggle where people, in this case the children of Saburo, in the company are infighting with each other over who will rightfully take the throne of the entire Arasaka megacorporation. Who are two petty thieves compared to the legacy of the most powerful corporation in the Cyberpunk universe? Jackie and V, and you said this yourself, are “sloppily hired nobodies”, why would Arasaka care about them especially considering that their CEO for like 120+ years just got choked to death by his own son?

Consider this hypothetical scenario: Your father got murdered and your phone got stolen on the same day. Would you prioritize A) finding your father’s murderers or B) retrieving your phone from the thieves?

Pretty obvious which one is more important.

#2: Okay so you and just about any player who paid attention to the game should know this but the Arasaka Heist was a complete Charlie-Foxtrot. To quote Murphy’s Law: “Anything that could go wrong, did go wrong.”

Everybody involved in the Heist is either dead or quickly dying:

T-Bug? Completely fried. All crispy and crunchy now.
Dexter DeShawn? Sudden, explosive creation of a cavity in his cranium.
Jackie Welles? Lost too much of that red liquid that’s supposed to be inside of the body.
V? Literally being aggressively overwritten by the digital construct of a rockerboy/terrorist who died 50+ years earlier. Has weeks at most to live.

I mean even if Arasaka did literally nothing, the problem would more than likely solve itself in a short while.

Also I’d like to note that DeShawn hired V and Jackie precisely because they were nobodies. Let me rephrase that so it makes more sense: DeShawn hired V and Jackie because they were disposable meat shields who nobody would give a damn about if the Heist went wrong and they died. They’re literally just fodder for DeShawn.

If the Heist goes all well? Great. Jackie and V get paid and part ways with Dex. All’s well that ends well as they say.

If the Heist goes sideways? Jackie and V die but I can guarantee you that Dex won’t give a single F as long as it won’t lead a breadcrumb trail for Arasaka to him.

Unfortunately for Dex, the trail did lead back to him and he died because of it.

Almost forgot: Evelyn Parker. Got hacked and turned into a Husk from Mass Effect. Then died in a bathtub.

[Ashling]

Isn't Delamain just a fancy cab service? It'd be like getting into an unmarked taxi.

Originally posted by Titan Awaken:

[Also I’d like to note that [b]DeShawn hired V and Jackie precisely because they were nobodies[/b]. Let me rephrase that so it makes more sense: DeShawn hired V and Jackie because they were disposable meat shields who nobody would give a damn about if the Heist went wrong and they died. They’re literally just fodder for DeShawn.

(Heavy Spoilers)

But this was Evelyn's job, or even the VooDoo boy's job (depending on how far back you want to go you could reasonably blame Alt). So it's more like the VooDoo boys wanted tech Evelyn was in reach of, so she hired Dexter because he was a nobody who she could betray. Him needing to get back into Pacifica's (maybe even the VooDoo boy's) good gracious was just a plus. He was probably desperate for literally anyone.

Who knows why he choose the V gang, but if you asked me it's because he was overly reliant on being the intuitive big bad fixer, yet was too rusty for that kind of thinking. So, he fooled himself into thinking the V gang was enough and that the heist wasn't that big of a thing (they did have plenty of Intel after all).

[Bogmore]

You don't go home, you go to a hotel.

Anyway shouldn't this be in the story section?

[tyke]

Originally posted by Njorl:

I'd say that drug abuse, chronic malnutrition and chemical poisoning, along with exposure to radiation has degraded humanity to the point where the average person has an IQ of about 60.
This is a world where there has been almost no innovation in 50 years, just refinement of old technology.
Anyone even approaching what we consider to be average intelligence avoids working for people with power because everyone with power is a complete psychopath who will certainly kill you very soon. The front line security people are barely capable of speech. The upper levels of security are people who, in our world, would be wards of the state.

lol have you seen the game world we're talking about?

Originally posted by Titan Awaken:

don’t you think Arasaka has more pressing matters than chasing a bunch of low life thieves? *cough cough* Saburo f’ing Arasaka just died *cough cough*

right because arasaka is about 5 people

it's a 1980s sci fi world, but i also thought it was stupid that misty took V back to apartment.
In the mission there should have been some dialogue about how they were employing some technology and hacks etc to hide their identities
+ Misty never should have taken V back to apartment
+ V's apartment should have been blown up anyway
+ There should have been some more Arasaka hunter encounters
+ There should instead have been lots of safehouse locations in the game to store items, similar to what has been added to 2077 with houses but instead being safehouse criminal locations in derelict and underground areas

[xNothing]

Read at your own risk, logic based on spoilers ahead!

Keep in mind its a world where people can be hacked to commit crimes and some just go Cyber psycho. I think with the way the NCPD handled(covered up) a mayors murder, let shootings happen, protect property first, they seem to want the easy money Always infront of apartments and hanging out by Viks NCPD more likely go where the eddies are Arasaka most likely owns NCPD or pays them off and pretty much silenced them for their own private security. Killing everyone to get the chip back would make more sense as its their back up plan with soul killer anyway..

only real plot hole: Where is the cat in any of the endings?

[Moon Goose]

Originally posted by tyke:

In the mission there should have been some dialogue about how they were employing some technology and hacks etc to hide their identities

That was already explained at the start of the game when you get your new eye implants at Victor Vector's clinic. The Kiroshi cyber eyes you get include a lens blinding system which means any cameras will only see your face as a blur. In the context of the heist mission, only the people who personally laid eyes on V will be able to give a description. And as far as I recall, only three people who definitely survive the event did that, the security man at the entrance, the receptionist and the host at the bar/restaurant.

[Njorl]

Something that must be considered:
"The dead do not lie."-Soburu Arasaka

Yorinobu can't just claim that you are lying about the murder. Arasaka's tech would get the truth out of you. He can't let that happen.

Yorinobu does NOT want you caught. He doesn't even want your body recovered. If he sends Arasaka's best security people after you, they will try to capture and interrogate you. What does he tell them, "Find this person and be sure to destroy their brain immediately."? That would be suspicious. He already has a suspicious board to deal with.

Even if they come back with a reasonably fresh severed head from V, Yorinobu is toast.

Once they figure out that Dex killed you and was killed, Yorinobu would have them drop it. Avoiding a public acknowledgement that the "assassins" were killed works to Arasaka's benefit. They can continue to posture and demand justice.

[Njorl]

Originally posted by tyke:

Originally posted by Njorl:

I'd say that drug abuse, chronic malnutrition and chemical poisoning, along with exposure to radiation has degraded humanity to the point where the average person has an IQ of about 60.
This is a world where there has been almost no innovation in 50 years, just refinement of old technology.
Anyone even approaching what we consider to be average intelligence avoids working for people with power because everyone with power is a complete psychopath who will certainly kill you very soon. The front line security people are barely capable of speech. The upper levels of security are people who, in our world, would be wards of the state.

lol have you seen the game world we're talking about?

Yes.
It's the same world that Johnny Silverhand lived in 50 years earlier. A world where a 50 year old chip is still cutting edge.

[Bogmore]

Shouldn't Moore's Law be in Cyberpunk too? I believe the chip is new but the data on it is old, 50 years old, and now the technology has caught up with it on the implant chip. I also think that Johnny was the Guinea Pig for the technology as it's probably the only Engram they had that was expendable, and as said during the Lizzy Wizzy gig, they can't be copied or altered.

The only person(s) I know that have had a copy done, and it was probably illegally done, are the Kabuki "Twins"

[tyke]

Originally posted by Njorl:

Originally posted by tyke:

lol have you seen the game world we're talking about?

Yes.
It's the same world that Johnny Silverhand lived in 50 years earlier. A world where a 50 year old chip is still cutting edge.

I really like your positive thinking. that's the level of civilisation you think is sustainable, that to you is a vision of a degraded collapsing society. that level of incredible functionality, civilisation, technology, law, order, economy, is your idea of
drug abuse, chronic malnutrition and chemical poisoning, along with exposure to radiation has degraded humanity to the point where the average person has an IQ of about 60.
some may say naive, but stunningly positive thinking you have there.

[Vela Darney]

Originally posted by Captain Skinny:

Originally posted by Njorl:

I'd say that drug abuse, chronic malnutrition and chemical poisoning, along with exposure to radiation has degraded humanity to the point where the average person has an IQ of about 60.
This is a world where there has been almost no innovation in 50 years, just refinement of old technology.
Anyone even approaching what we consider to be average intelligence avoids working for people with power because everyone with power is a complete psychopath who will certainly kill you very soon. The front line security people are barely capable of speech. The upper levels of security are people who, in our world, would be wards of the state.

But... the people looking for you are not.

But - ARE they looking for you? All THEY might know is that you're rotting in a dump with a hole in your head, just like Dex. Or maybe Yorinobu doesn't WANT you to be found. Cos if you are, there's always a chance you might blurt out the truth of what happened and SOMEONE MIGHT believe you. And sending a killer commando after a small-scale merc might get the wrong kind of people wonder about the wrong kind of things and start digging. Don't forget Yorinobu's in quite a dangerous position himself until he and his faction manage to take over for good. Which they don't until the grand finale of the main story - that is, unless you side with Hanako and help her ruin Yorinobu's plans ...

[tyke]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Originally posted by Captain Skinny:

But... the people looking for you are not.

But - ARE they looking for you? All THEY might know is that you're rotting in a dump with a hole in your head, just like Dex. Or maybe Yorinobu doesn't WANT you to be found. Cos if you are, there's always a chance you might blurt out the truth of what happened and SOMEONE MIGHT believe you. And sending a killer commando after a small-scale merc might get the wrong kind of people wonder about the wrong kind of things and start digging. Don't forget Yorinobu's in quite a dangerous position himself until he and his faction manage to take over for good. Which they don't until the grand finale of the main story - that is, unless you side with Hanako and help her ruin Yorinobu's plans ...

you have to admit that this is some pretty high level mental gymnastics. how such a powerful organisation would work is simply tie up loose ends, and they are a very powerful organisation who have many tools and units at their disposal to clean up a loose end highly secretively with only those who need to know knowing about it.