Goro Ending (spoilers)

[Valerie]

So, I went with the hidden ending with the raid on Arasaka with Johnny. I didn't know this would lead to Goro hating me, but I feel like this ending makes little sense as to why he might hate you.

Hoes does Goro know that it wasn't just Johnny taking charge of the Arasaka attack one last time and then giving V the body back? He knew the engram was taking over your body slowly. Why does he automatically hate you for something you could have possibly talked your way out of? Or at the very least still could have went back to testify the murder.

[Blame]

AFAIK, Takemura doesn't know that the engram is of Johnny Silverhand. You know, the one and only terrorist that blew up Arasaka once before.

[Rabidnid]

You Johnny and Alt destroy Arasaka by letting Yorinobu kill Hanako and take full control of the company, quite apart from Alt obliterating all the space stations.

Goro is about to commit suicide for his part in your plan so he is understandably grumpy.

[Valerie]

Originally posted by Blame:

AFAIK, Takemura doesn't know that the engram is of Johnny Silverhand. You know, the one and only terrorist that blew up Arasaka once before.

Well he does know the person inside would have taken over the host body sooner or later. It could have easily said who it was if V wanted to lie. I feel like nothing up to that point showed V would have done a suicide run like that before that moment. At least nothing I did really shows I wanted to just go down in a blaze of glory despite getting so far to even get an audience with Hanako.

[damion.ord]

He hates you because you betrayed him and the plan the pair of you made, then you destroy the only thing that gives his life meaning. Are you surprised that he hates you for this?

[Valerie]

Originally posted by damion.ord:

He hates you because you betrayed him and the plan the pair of you made, then you destroy the only thing that gives his life meaning. Are you surprised that he hates you for this?

Again you could theoretically just tell him the engram took over. Up 'till that point, going balls to the wall solo suicide despite having real solid options doesn't line up with how V acted (unless you played like that).

V could have easily said the engram was Johnny, it took over and just wanted to to get back at Arasaka then gave the body back (if you choose that option).

[Alex_x86]

Originally posted by Valerie:

Originally posted by Blame:

AFAIK, Takemura doesn't know that the engram is of Johnny Silverhand. You know, the one and only terrorist that blew up Arasaka once before.

Well he does know the person inside would have taken over the host body sooner or later. It could have easily said who it was if V wanted to lie. I feel like nothing up to that point showed V would have done a suicide run like that before that moment. At least nothing I did really shows I wanted to just go down in a blaze of glory despite getting so far to even get an audience with Hanako.

Errr... Didn't you steal something from Arasaka's son at the beginning of the game? By that world's standards you were either dumb enough to do not understand consequences or was actually trying to go down in blaze of glory..

Also to move the story to a point of any ending other than bullet in the head or work with Takemura you had to do that small adventure with Panam where you blow up electrical station, take down Kang Tao AV and capture one the former Arasaka guy. And Takemura knows about it b/c you hand him over to Goro after you ask all of your questions...

Also did you forget when during the celebration you sabotaged Arasaka security, killed or incapacitated head of Arasaka security...

Quite honestly even if you would say about Johnny construct any normal person would realize that you are quite capable of pulling such thing. On a second thought "Johnny Silverhand" excuse wouldn't fly since at the end Johnny was defeated by Adam Smasher, you weren't.

[Valerie]

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Originally posted by Valerie:

Well he does know the person inside would have taken over the host body sooner or later. It could have easily said who it was if V wanted to lie. I feel like nothing up to that point showed V would have done a suicide run like that before that moment. At least nothing I did really shows I wanted to just go down in a blaze of glory despite getting so far to even get an audience with Hanako.

Errr... Didn't you steal something from Arasaka's son at the beginning of the game? By that world's standards you were either dumb enough to do not understand consequences or was actually trying to go down in blaze of glory..

Yeah? That's literally how you MET Goro?

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

And Takemura knows about it b/c you hand him over to Goro after you ask all of your questions...

Goro IS Takemura. Why are you saying it like it's two different people?

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Also did you forget when during the celebration you sabotaged Arasaka security, killed or incapacitated head of Arasaka security...

You're given the choice not to do that which I did. I let him live. Goro actually begs you not kill him. Which I didn't kill him.

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Quite honestly even if you would say about Johnny construct any normal person would realize that you are quite capable of pulling such thing. On a second thought "Johnny Silverhand" excuse wouldn't fly since at the end Johnny was defeated by Adam Smasher, you weren't.

Goro Takemura has no way of knowing when or how bad you got by this time. Depending on your choices, teh last time you see him alive was in the shootout kidnapping. Last time you hear from him was a text.

So again he had no idea of knowing how bad you got with the construct in you and by that time it was VERY bad. It was possible to explain your way out of it.

After you became the big shot of night city I feel like you could have still somehow helped him out and explained or even lied about what happened. Hell, you've had harder choices in the game with the Jefferson mission.

I feel like you're not understanding what I'm trying to say.

[Cruddy]

As much as I want to like him at the end of the day Goro is just another Corpo soldier brainwashed to be disgustingly loyal and ignorant. It doesn't really make sense to still be in contact after Attacking Arasaka, you were working together for a purpose, that purpose has been fulfilled without him.

Even if you told him it was Johnny there is no world where he( or anyone else) would just shrug his shoulders and say "okay if you say so." and act like nothing happened, you just bombed the company that he's fiercely loyal to and didn't contact Hanako to fulfill your plan together.

[Goldias]

Well, if you don't go with Arasaka ending he'll hate you no matter who you side with. It is voice Message at the end of the game so it's not like he'll hear V's excuse. But even if they talked, the excuse that someone else taking over V's body during the raid is not very convincing.

- He don't know that it is johnny inside V's head, and don't know that Johnny can completely "Take the Wheel" then give it back. Even Hellman don't know that it is possible. He only know that the chip will influence some of V's decision, nothing more. Playing Arasaka ending will give some idea about information they have.

Only Rogue and Kerry know from their questline, and maybe Viktor/Misty at the end of the game. All of them are not going to tell him anything obviously. As far as Goro know, V is going to become someone else, but not "Switch" Personality at will.

- He knows that V meet with Hanako. After that exact moment V just get replace by someone else and go destroying Arasaka? It will be very hard to believe. Timing is too good to be coincidence.

[DaneNor]

Originally posted by Goldias:

Well, if you don't go with Arasaka ending he'll hate you no matter who you side with. It is voice Message at the end of the game so it's not like he'll hear V's excuse. But even if they talked, the excuse that someone else taking over V's body during the raid is not very convincing.

- He don't know that it is johnny inside V's head, and don't know that Johnny can completely "Take the Wheel" then give it back. Even Hellman don't know that it is possible. He only know that the chip will influence some of V's decision, nothing more. Playing Arasaka ending will give some idea about information they have.

Only Rogue and Kerry know from their questline, and maybe Viktor/Misty at the end of the game. All of them are not going to tell him anything obviously. As far as Goro know, V is going to become someone else, but not "Switch" Personality at will.

- He knows that V meet with Hanako. After that exact moment V just get replace by someone else and go destroying Arasaka? It will be very hard to believe. Timing is too good to be coincidence.

Not if you let him die ;)

[Coffee Addict]

goro hates you in all the endings except the one where you help arasaka, once a corpo rat always a corpo rat dude only thinks about the company he serves

[Valerie]

Originally posted by Annie:

goro hates you in all the endings except the one where you help arasaka, once a corpo rat always a corpo rat dude only thinks about the company he serves

That sucks... I don't think he was a bad guy. I'll miss his boomer misclick selfies.

[Northwold]

Seppuku = ritual suicide. In his speech he tells you that great samurai warriors before seppuku usually composed great poems or something (I can't remember the precise words), but he is no poet so f you (basically).

What you have done means he has to kill himself. Why? Because he has helped you damage Arasaka and you have made it impossible for him to clear his name.

(see also rabidnid's answer above)

[Alex_x86]

Originally posted by Valerie:

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Errr... Didn't you steal something from Arasaka's son at the beginning of the game? By that world's standards you were either dumb enough to do not understand consequences or was actually trying to go down in blaze of glory..

Yeah? That's literally how you MET Goro?

What is your objection? So all the way from the beginning Takemura knows you as extremist who can even go against the corp.

Originally posted by Valerie:

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

And Takemura knows about it b/c you hand him over to Goro after you ask all of your questions...

Goro IS Takemura. Why are you saying it like it's two different people?

I don't. What I meant is that you hand over the former Arasaka scientist to Takemura. And this is how Takemura would know how you captured that person...

Originally posted by Valerie:

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Also did you forget when during the celebration you sabotaged Arasaka security, killed or incapacitated head of Arasaka security...

You're given the choice not to do that which I did. I let him live. Goro actually begs you not kill him. Which I didn't kill him.

Read one more time the text you quoted. The emphasis was not on killing the head of Arasaka security but on infiltrating high profile and high security Arasaka event and either killing or incapacitating it's head of security. Or you don't know what incapacitate means?

Originally posted by Valerie:

I feel like you're not understanding what I'm trying to say.

I perfectly understanding what you are saying: Takemura should think that you are an angel that never did anything wrong. What I am saying is that Takemura know for the fact 4 instances of quite extreme behavior against corporations (I guess in my previous message I completely forgot that you also infiltrated Arasaka Security building). Anyone with some amount of logic could deduct that your character (V) is perfectly capable of infiltrating Arasaka building alone.

[mushysnugs]

because he is a very wise man who got to know you pretty well working with you he even worked with johnny at one point as you. pretty sure the dude can tell the difference.