How Cyberpsychosis works and why V doesnt get affected. From Mike Pondsmith himself(creator of Cyberpunk).

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"Okay, so time to (partially) explain CYBERPSYCHOSIS.

First of all, Cyberpsychosis is a disorder that in part depends on the subject's overall internal susceptibility. Just like every person who drinks a lot at parties doesn't end up an alcoholic in the gutter, not everyone who gets loaded up on cyberware is going to automatically go cyberpsycho. You have to have an inherent susceptibility, which (in the TRPG) is represented by the player's Humanity Stat. Humanity is not just a measure of one aspect of personality, but an overall measure of several elements including the subject's ability to emphasize and relate with others, their ability to absorb and rebound from mental and physical stressors, their ability to show compassion and flexibility to others, and whether they are able to balance their worldview through other methods.

So, in some ways, I tend to treat cyberware as an addiction--heavy anabolic steroid use being my favorite model. Not everyone who juices ends up crazy mad with roid rage. But those who are more susceptible to the need to take more steroids are more likely to hit a point where they do flip into roid rage. (Take a look at this article from Livescience https://www.livescience.com/38354-what-is-roid-rage.html for a pretty good idea of how roid rage works--notice that it's got the same basic profile as cyberpsychosis).

David's starting Humanity was probably already pretty high. And before things went to crap, he had a loving mother, a career path, and no more hassle than the average poor guy in a wealthy Ivy League school. So he had lots of buffer. But even so, he still, even after losing all that, was able to make friends, build a replacement family, and (after some prompting) even get a girlfriend. And a mentor (Maine) to create a supportive father figure. So he could definitely handle the stress of added cyberware up to a point.

Most people in Night City don't have the level of Humanity to pull this kind of stunt off without going cyberpsychotic. So David is one in a million. And that's why Arasaka wants him.

V is a different case. We don't know V's background, but even if V was a full on Corpo, they were able to hold it together even when they ended up with a dead Rockerboy in their heads (Yah, tell me about it; Johnny Silverhand's been in my head for the last three decades.) In fact, having Johnny in their head probably helped V, because Siilverhand's rage and attitude probably acted as a buffer for the psychological hits V is taking. It's like having a time share with a guy who's already half cyberpsycho and doesn't mind if V slaps stuff on their shared body; he's already crazy and violent.

So that's a rough explanation of the roots of cyberpsychosis. If I ever get band width, I'm going to start writing/posting some stuff about what I had in mind as I put together the Night City universe. But for now, you'll have to go with what I've got here. Have fun, and remember not to chip mili-spec cyberware, like your mother warned you about.

And no, cyberpsychosis isn't caused by AI net demons. Gimme a break, chooms!"

[justfaded]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

David is bland character with no personality. Surely that's one of the reason why he is not affected by all the chrome in him.

Most main characters are like that outside of artsy films. That's why most leading men in Hollywood are also bland with no personalities. That's all intentional.

[The Bunny In the Bush]

....I mean we all realise that V's "Top of the line military standard" sandy and davids experimental "Worth being hunted down by the corps" sandy are on different tiers right? because the corps would not go all crazy for one missing militech sandy being usable, Not to mention the sheer time difference, like we straight up see david go through a time skip while hooked up too a sandy thats still considered "experimental and dangerous".

That said, V killing adam smasher does seem a little... suspect given the difference, i could only speculate that smasher was being more impulsive and less calculated then normal when fighting what he saw as the reborn version of his "nemesis" silverhand although i always thought morgan blackhand was more his nemesis?

[Ambrosius Costeau]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

No, I understand perfectly. Cyberpsychosis vs. Humanity. David Humanity supposedly High.

Pondsmith can say anything he want and you can believe anything you want. But what I talk is about character depiction, David is bland. Rebecca has personality. David has nothing.

The anime is a 6 or 7 tops.

Anime as story telling medium objectively has died since the bubble burst. Now it's just commercial product to sell fleshlight and pachinko machine.

Edgerunners wasn't necessarily a bad anime, it just does not hit most of great story telling and/or visual story telling checklist compared to AKIRA or the original Ghost in the Shell.

Strongly agree i was kind of baffled when i kept seeing all these perfect scores and masterpiece being thrown at edgerunner, i mean dont get me wrong the anime is fun and the production value is excellent, but to me edgerunners shows how stagnant the cyberpunk genre has become that refuses to move on from Bladerunner, neuromancer and GITS, it throws the slow and deliberate pace of these works out the window for something that is loud, action heavy and frantic to pander to younger audience and people with low attention span, with a story that has been told countless of times and its even executed very poorly and i didnt care about ANY of the characters.

Many anime nowadays that are considered "philosophical" or "deep" are ironically shallow and terribly written, again im not necessarily saying they are bad, they are fun and entertaining but nothing beyond that.

[[Slayer]]

Its pretty easy. V is an alien so they not human. Bio Chip makes him not a human anymore.

To be serious, the biochip adds prob a whole persons worth of humanity to V.

[pale_horse]

Originally posted by Pocket Yoda:

I personally think CDPR or Cyberpunk are too obsessed with the whole cyber psychosis part of Cyberpunk...

There are so much other better aspects of cyberpunk to write stories about..

It was a fundamental part of the original RPG.

You cant keep chopping parts of your body off and replacing them with tech senses and weapons without it wearing away at what you used to be.

You can argue that you disagree with the philosophical idea or "game heuristic", but it was always a part of the Cyberpunk game itself.

If they make more Cyberpunk games then of course they could explore different angles (and I hope they do). You could build a narrative around a rocker or a medie that would play totally different than V.

[Degenerate Trap]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

No, I understand perfectly. Cyberpsychosis vs. Humanity. David Humanity supposedly High.

Pondsmith can say anything he want and you can believe anything you want. But what I talk is about character depiction, David is bland. Rebecca has personality. David has nothing.

The anime is a 6 or 7 tops.

Anime as story telling medium objectively has died since the bubble burst. Now it's just commercial product to sell fleshlight and pachinko machine.

Edgerunners wasn't necessarily a bad anime, it just does not hit most of great story telling and/or visual story telling checklist compared to AKIRA or the original Ghost in the Shell.

I do have to agree. David had almost no personality, I wasn't sad when he died, I expected him to die. His only saving grace was able to move the story onward so we get to see all the interesting supporting characters. After all, the anime is only 10 episode long with a very basic story that Trigger made it interesting. If it run like the original 48, 28, 24, 13 episode long then may be we'll see a lot more about him.

[Tiberius]

Aka v has plot armor.

[Degenerate Trap]

Originally posted by DriftManiac:

Originally posted by Degenerate Trap:

I do have to agree. David had almost no personality, I wasn't sad when he died, I expected him to die. His only saving grace was able to move the story onward so we get to see all the interesting supporting characters. After all, the anime is only 10 episode long with a very basic story that Trigger made it interesting. If it run like the original 48, 28, 24, 13 episode long then may be we'll see a lot more about him.

He was just a kid, 17 years old. How can you not be sad? I was.

Adam was a scumbag to kill him. Should have had some feelings about potentially sparing the kid.

i mean my 18 years old nephew is in the army and he is way "street smarter" than this kid who was just 17, lost his mother, and life, grew up in night city and died at 18. Night city has a reputation of making 7 years old kid who bs out a story in front of V just so V would win in the Beat the Brat. Why not David who lived there all his life but acted like he just fresh off the bus from the Iowa?

[War Maiden]

Edgerunner anime thread.
Should have been specified in the OP post.
But they didn't, because they wanted to cause Flame war.

Mods Lock this thread.
There is nothing productive here.

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Originally posted by War Maiden:

Edgerunner anime thread.
Should have been specified in the OP post.
But they didn't, because they wanted to cause Flame war.

Mods Lock this thread.
There is nothing productive here.

Yeah. My first intentions were to show what creator of cyberpunk tells about cyberpsychosis and why some people see game and anime show it differently, when in fact it is not.

But people here started to flame about how show is nothing special and old stuff was better... Always found this funny since my philosophy class about Socrates.

[(っ◔◡◔)っ Security101]

The Explanation as to why "V" can't get Cyberphycosis is because the Relic is preventing that from happening. At least that's what makes sense to me. I could go more in depth but this thread is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like any other.

[Grantorino]

Originally posted by Security101:

The Explanation as to why "V" can't get Cyberphycosis is because the Relic is preventing that from happening. At least that's what makes sense to me. I could go more in depth but this thread is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like any other.

He's also not as juiced up as David. By the end of the show David is basically full metal.

[nickizz]

Maybe cyberpsychosis is prevented if you are having a room mate in your mind.

[Mendys]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

Cyberpsychosis happens over months or years. V doesn't get it because all of CP2077 takes place over a few weeks

But the real reason is that the developers just couldn't be bothered to develop an additional system that would place a soft limit on the cyberware the player can install and then punish the player for exceeding that limit

Something like in Mankind Divided, where you get punished for using too much of experimental augs.
(Later on you get rid of this mechanic)