So what does rich mean?

[Ihateeverybody]

This always bothers me in games. What does Rich mean when the NPCs talk about it?

Note the player (not the character they play) is excluded from this because we can make infinate money without any expenses (taxes, utilities, etc) for the most part.

So when NPCs talk about Eddies and Living in a Venecian Villa or whatever how much are we talking?

What really bothers me (not so much in CP2077 specifically) is an NPC supposedly having financial difficulties paying out a LEVELED reward that seems to be beyond their means (Carlotta's Quest in Skyrims Whiterun. You have a hungry daughter to feed but you pay me 1200 septims to warn off a guy being overly aggressive).

Corpo V had a Bank account of about 120k + 45K in cash at their start. Yet after the intro has only 700. I have become intimitly aware of how much cars go for (Because everyone is TRYING TO SELL ME ONE, TWO, SEVEN.)

As other threads have gone into, we start the game 21k in the hole with Vik. And I don't really want to retread that line.

So my question is What does Rich Mean in Night City. What is a median average salary, how much is Cost of Living?

[Alun1]

i would assume "rich" in NC is owning a corp and not having any financial issues to worry over.

i didn't buy any cars during my playthrough but i bought alot of ammo and cyberware/hacks, all apartments and still ended the game with over 600K.

without using any money making methods, simply by doin gigs/side jobs/main jobs.

[Vela Darney]

Kerry's rich, I'd assume. And Denny, too. Judging from looking at their villas in North Oak. Arasaka are stinking filthy rich - again, looking at their villa in North Oak.

There's tiny little hints in the news. Like, for example, how expensive fees are for keeping a pet. Was it 4000 a month for a real animal? Also, there's this new, experimental nanite treatment mentioned. I think that was available for 70k a month. So only the really, REALLY rich people could afford that kind of thing.

Looking at this and, again, taking Kerry as an example, with how everyone's harping on about how well-known and how big of a star he is, I'd expect him to be at least a multi-billionaire. (Well, he was before his divorce. Might be only a multi-millionaire now that his ex-wife's taken half of everything plus the house in Tokyo.)

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

So my question is What does Rich Mean in Night City. What is a median average salary, how much is Cost of Living?

Because everything is based on level it's inherently meaningless. This game would have been so much better with just something like street cred and no leveling.

STALKER and HL2 did not have levels and both were better games because of it.

[Wander Wild]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

So my question is What does Rich Mean in Night City. What is a median average salary, how much is Cost of Living?

Because everything is based on level it's inherently meaningless. This game would have been so much better with just something like street cred and no leveling.

STALKER and HL2 did not have levels and both were better games because of it.

100%

I love a good Reputation system. Everything feels much more earned then simple levels, IMO

[Kanharn]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

So my question is What does Rich Mean in Night City. What is a median average salary, how much is Cost of Living?

Because everything is based on level it's inherently meaningless. This game would have been so much better with just something like street cred and no leveling.

STALKER and HL2 did not have levels and both were better games because of it.

STALKER and HL2 are not based on a table top game.

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by Kanharn:

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Because everything is based on level it's inherently meaningless. This game would have been so much better with just something like street cred and no leveling.

STALKER and HL2 did not have levels and both were better games because of it.

STALKER and HL2 are not based on a table top game.

Not really relevant. Lore is from a game and the novels but the gameplay is entirely Witcher 3.

[Viking]

It means plot hook rich, as within like ??? 30 minutes of starting the game you can smash crafting up to 8-10 before even meeting vik for the first time and be sitting on more than enough to pay him outright then at the beginning of chapter 2 you can use crafting to make millions of eddies an hour so IDK what rich means in cyberpunk lol.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Kerry's rich, I'd assume. And Denny, too. Judging from looking at their villas in North Oak. Arasaka are stinking filthy rich - again, looking at their villa in North Oak.

There's tiny little hints in the news. Like, for example, how expensive fees are for keeping a pet. Was it 4000 a month for a real animal? Also, there's this new, experimental nanite treatment mentioned. I think that was available for 70k a month. So only the really, REALLY rich people could afford that kind of thing.

or anyone with 20 in technical, 18 in crafting could make that in 2 days just standing in the gun shop in megatower H10. I spent 60rl minutes and made over 8 million eddies just crafting there.

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by ApocNizmith:

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Kerry's rich, I'd assume. And Denny, too. Judging from looking at their villas in North Oak. Arasaka are stinking filthy rich - again, looking at their villa in North Oak.

There's tiny little hints in the news. Like, for example, how expensive fees are for keeping a pet. Was it 4000 a month for a real animal? Also, there's this new, experimental nanite treatment mentioned. I think that was available for 70k a month. So only the really, REALLY rich people could afford that kind of thing.

or anyone with 20 in technical, 18 in crafting could make that in 2 days just standing in the gun shop in megatower H10. I spent 60rl minutes and made over 8 million eddies just crafting there.

Which just means that the crafting system in the game is wildly unrealistic more than anything else.

I like this game a lot but it is far from flawless and lacking in bad design choices.

[Evol_Prodigy]

I would use the cost of the apartments for reference. Each "purchase" price being a year lease, say multiply that by 4-5 and get the yearly income of someone in the bracket for that apartment. Highest end is, what, 55k? So maybe 200-300k a year is rich-level income?

[CrumbleCat]

You know what I found odd? In that quest where you're trying to get your car back from Lana Prince, you give her 100 eddies for the car. That amount seems way low. Why not at least 1000 or even 10k. Really... how much is 100 eddies worth to these people? She got really surprised and happy by it too.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Originally posted by ApocNizmith:

or anyone with 20 in technical, 18 in crafting could make that in 2 days just standing in the gun shop in megatower H10. I spent 60rl minutes and made over 8 million eddies just crafting there.

Which just means that the crafting system in the game is wildly unrealistic more than anything else.

I like this game a lot but it is far from flawless and lacking in bad design choices.

Every game is flawed in some way, it's supposed to be. It's what makes it a game. If we wanted real life 100% of the time we wouldn't play games. XD

[Weaver]

Originally posted by ApocNizmith:

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Kerry's rich, I'd assume. And Denny, too. Judging from looking at their villas in North Oak. Arasaka are stinking filthy rich - again, looking at their villa in North Oak.

There's tiny little hints in the news. Like, for example, how expensive fees are for keeping a pet. Was it 4000 a month for a real animal? Also, there's this new, experimental nanite treatment mentioned. I think that was available for 70k a month. So only the really, REALLY rich people could afford that kind of thing.

or anyone with 20 in technical, 18 in crafting could make that in 2 days just standing in the gun shop in megatower H10. I spent 60rl minutes and made over 8 million eddies just crafting there.

You are confusing game mechanics with setting. Just like V can take an air hypo to recover from any wound, can take a katana to the face and be unscratched seconds later, or carry around 50 guns on his/her person without even a visible backpack.
Things work a certain way for you because you have Protagonist Plot Armor and Powers, that doesn't represent how the Cyberpunk 2077 world works.
I mean if they made V spend the years it would take to reach the higher levels of skills no one would be happy. Same thing with realistic combat or anything else.

[Zero McDol]

If I'm being honest, not much unless you're an npc.

V can buy apartments and cars which is great however, missing things. There's nothing to invest in, nothing outside of apartments, cars, enhancements, and general store stuff to really spend money on. So while V can be rich in terms of monetary gain from various sources, the game doesn't really go heavy into things that can done as a rich character (for obvious reasons).

[talemore]

I think the charlie Jade definition of being rich that you are classified as 1 citizen or 2 citizen while the 3 class citizen don't have the right to own anything. The 2 citizen have right to own things through a company while the 1 citizen own a company. The corpo V is a 2 citizen , The street is a 3 citizen. The nomads are O citizen and can decide on their own what tier to be.

The nomads are actually the richest group and spend their free time to tweak cars and hobbies that 2 or 3 citizens don't have afford with. They're 1 citizens but they decide on their own term what classification to have. That's at least who them represent in the game: rich multimillionaires in USA. The game has an old public media view from the 80's where USA was glorified as a rich country.

By definition being rich is to get away from the street and become a corporative worker and for a corp being rich is to get away from a desk job to do what they wish to do. The nomads represent how in USA the poor lives in the cities while the rich middle class left the cities and lives on the countryside or suburbans.

This is why Street kid is coined as a poor person living inside a city, living on stealing from people who are in the same situation as themselves and ends up with Jackie stealing from V as they compete for the resources.

I think the theft itself was a setup. Jackie was there to ensure that if the cops didn't manage to handle it Jackie would do anything to finish the job. Streets took any jobs, no matter what the task was asked. The issue is that they get credits for making many jobs that it's cheaper to kill competitions than to pay them to prevent unions. If V gets paid higher other streets might consider to refuse doing the job for less.

Street V is no rookie. Street-V is old in the game. Street-V came back to the city, we don't know why.

Nomad V decide to go to the city we don't know why. Nomad V seem to be a pre sequel to the street V.

Corpo V works in the city and looks like a sequel to street V