Romance options and the way characters look in general.

[libērtaŞ]

Okay so let me start by saying this. When you develop a product for a target audience, you do so according to their general likes and dislikes of that target audience, the majority, meaning that the minority has no right to complain and can sit down and shut up. Thank you.

So anyway, why is it that there's barely any pleasant characters to look at...scratch that none who are female and like...1 which is Tokomura but I ain't gay, who is male. Aside from that there's no good looking characters, not even random NPCs, everyone is either a 5.5 or below. Like what? Not even in real life is this true, and this is a video game sure, but based on possible future correct? 2077, using humans last time I checked, so if you're going to take inspiration from the real world, then what's up. Is some eye candy for an overwhelmingly straight male audience that much to ask? I don't think it is, I think it's pretty normal tbh. We shouldn't have to resort to mods to get what we were expecting from promotional material.

My interests in the game are 1. RPG aspect and story(they kinda failed on that) 2. gameplay and 3. eye candy, the whole nude things was supposed to be a bonus I didn't much care for but thought, ♥♥♥♥ it why not, I'll undress run around the street naked and get arrested by cops, should be fun. But what's the point when even your own MC is hard to create to look handsome or pretty, cause let's face it, nobody wants to see a tubby or butterface doing what I just mentioned. Aside from that according to the game, they are up to their necks in cosmetic plastic surgeries or android parts and genetic engineering so you wouldn't even need cosmetics, so where the heck are the genetically engineered cat girls at? (here's hoping 2077's Elon Musk makes it happen).


Look, when you make a game that capitalized on its realistic graphics, it's not just the cars or buildings or that paper flowing through the air, the people too need to look realistic and have a chance to be pleasing to look at within the confines of its nature, ex: a building looking good or bad, will depend on the shape and paint job, old and falling off or fresh and new, same with a news paper on a street covered in rain water, it is not pleasing to the eye to see one with low res textures, but one with high res looks appealing in every sense of the word and looks like it 'fits' in the game and surroundings.....why wasn't the same methodology applied to the textures of characters that look grainy and washed out? And why didn't the devs give the people in the game world any variance in terms of how good looking they are, instead, they look like walking contradictions to the lore of the game and they all look really bland and not good looking at all, instead of having BOTH the bland and normal or even ugly looking AND the beautiful or sexy from a 7 to an 11. Why can't we have both..........and speaking of diversity....did you realize that in both the character creation and in-game there's like ONE shade of "white" skin color and it barely passes as one, sort of I guess, but still only one and the only exception are 2 women, one who (spoilers) tragically and the other who is an old lady regardless of how hot she looked when Silverman was still alive? The fact that I couldn't create a character to my liking and my perception of what is pretty or ideal, while others could, instead of ALL OF US being allowed to do that, and the fact that there's barely no representation of white European people in the game...is that on purpose or is that also in the lore, like in 2077 we became an even smaller global minority than what we already are now in real life. Where is our minority representation in game? Serious question despite the framing, I'm just throwing back those words that I've seen been incorrectly thrown at me or others.




So all I'm asking, add more shade options for both NPCs and CC, allow us to remove the damn moles, not everyone has so many moles on their body jeez in character creation, like I got a few on both my arms and like 5 on my back, that's it, and a few freckles on my face. Like it's an RPG no? there's a CC for a reason no? so why am I so limited in creating w.e the f I feel like creating and putting myself in the game world? I don't see the issue here as to why that's so wrong, it's always been like that in games. And finally, add some more romance options or touch up on the existing ones( a lot, I mean go in there with surgical precision) cause they are either average or butt ugly. Be nice if you could add some more lines with the voice actors to create new romance options as well with other characters, idk you do I guess, all I know is that I regret buying the game, I expect something, didn't quite get it and I understand the Company or the devs were pressured by money sucking higher ups and the idiots in the stock market so it's an unfinished product...but what I won't make excuses for is to give us an idea of what characters would look like, find it appealing, like it, and then not deliver.

[frogger]

maybe the polish devs feel like they'd get backlash for having even a slightly more eurocentric idea of beauty for some of the characters, so they intentionally stayed away from it, and as a result, depending on your preferences, the game might not have anything to interest you in that department.
considering witcher exists, this argument is obviously not sound, but cyberpunk obviously has a much more international setting, so maybe it was a real concern

[セーラーマーズ]

Автор сообщения: frogger

maybe the polish devs feel like they'd get backlash for having even a slightly more eurocentric idea of beauty for some of the characters, so they intentionally stayed away from it, and as a result, depending on your preferences, the game might not have anything to interest you in that department.
considering witcher exists, this argument is obviously not sound, but cyberpunk obviously has a much more international setting, so maybe it was a real concern

It's also supposed to represent a fictional future imperialism through international corporations so it does match the lore.

[Roderick]

Автор сообщения: King Brian

Don't even go there, the target audience is researched and looked at by sales data and demographics, and in the video game industry that is overwhelmingly guys. And guys like to see some eye candy aside from an awesome tear jerking story and great gameplay, we also love seeing hot girls. That's just how guys are, it's in our nature.

Till today I counted myself as a guy.... and I don't care about the looks of the npc in NC.

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: Tanoomba

Автор сообщения: King Brian

So it doesn't matter what a minority of "players" want, cause the majority don't want it. It doesn't matter what a minority of players feel like dissing or criticizing and saying "it's not needed" cause the majority want it.

But... By that logic, because you're making a complaint expressed by a minority of the game's player base, aren't you suggesting that it doesn't matter what you feel or want?

And what ever made you think that I'm part of a minority of players that wants more customization and better romance options? I already found mods that fix the first issue, but I shouldn't have to rely on mods to do it. The company is being...hinting at maybe? of being kinda racist. Or maybe I'm looking too much into it. We'd have to do a survey I guess, but I've seen plenty of threads over the past year asking for much of the same, and articles talking about(specially how people wish there were more romance options, not articles bashing the existing ones).

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: frogger

maybe the polish devs feel like they'd get backlash for having even a slightly more eurocentric idea of beauty for some of the characters, so they intentionally stayed away from it, and as a result, depending on your preferences, the game might not have anything to interest you in that department.
considering witcher exists, this argument is obviously not sound, but cyberpunk obviously has a much more international setting, so maybe it was a real concern

I did consider that but then I said na, why now...but then I saw what people are doing to the Witcher live tv series, and then I thought, you know what it's a possibility they could either get pressured into it somehow or switched gears, or it's not the same dev team working on it(haven't researched that last part).

But you know, my argument has never been to change what exists(skin color shades and face types) instead it was, ADD to it, to cover everyone's likes, or as close to as possible. I did make the point to touch up on Judy(to make her look like her fan art) and Panam, that is changing what exists, but what I mean to say is that it hasn't been an argument to change to the eurocentric view, not at all, but to not exclude the eurocentric view. Why make 1 shade of beige and barely at that, only unique story driven characters, like 2 of them were different. But from your character creator to the world's NPCs, quite a different story, hard to walk by a city supposedly located in the US and see a white person, and the ones that exist don't really look it. It felt, uncomfortable? I guess.

If they were really thinking about the international setting, then all the more reason why they should include every race and ethnicity, not exclude one entirely. In the contrary they should have added every version of every centric idea of beauty. But instead they added all(I assume, I wouldn't know cause I'm not attracted to those other beauties....except Latinas)and added all but the eurocentric one.

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: セーラーマーズ

Автор сообщения: frogger

maybe the polish devs feel like they'd get backlash for having even a slightly more eurocentric idea of beauty for some of the characters, so they intentionally stayed away from it, and as a result, depending on your preferences, the game might not have anything to interest you in that department.
considering witcher exists, this argument is obviously not sound, but cyberpunk obviously has a much more international setting, so maybe it was a real concern

It's also supposed to represent a fictional future imperialism through international corporations so it does match the lore.

Like in what way? The corporations steered people away from the eurocentric view and actively insensitivised people to be less white or something nefarious like that?(sounds kinda familiar). I mean if that's what happens in the lore of Cyberpunk, then I can't judge it, well I can but I can't demand anything of it anymore because that's the author's choice and his work and story, he gets to dictate what happens in the world.

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: Roderick

Автор сообщения: King Brian

Don't even go there, the target audience is researched and looked at by sales data and demographics, and in the video game industry that is overwhelmingly guys. And guys like to see some eye candy aside from an awesome tear jerking story and great gameplay, we also love seeing hot girls. That's just how guys are, it's in our nature.

Till today I counted myself as a guy.... and I don't care about the looks of the npc in NC.

That's perfectly fine, I did say we like it, but we don't always actively look for it all the time, sometimes you don't care, sometimes you do, now that depends on the person. In my case, I like seeing it when the graphics are realistic, if not then I don't really care that much or give it that much attention if any. You don't, you don't look at that and that's perfectly okay.

[Tanoomba]

Автор сообщения: King Brian

And what ever made you think that I'm part of a minority of players that wants more customization and better romance options?

I'm talking abut your assertion that there are no attractive characters in the game. Again, I think fan reaction shows that's not a majority complaint.

Автор сообщения: King Brian

Or maybe I'm looking too much into it.

You definitely are.

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: Tanoomba

Автор сообщения: King Brian

And what ever made you think that I'm part of a minority of players that wants more customization and better romance options?

I'm talking abut your assertion that there are no attractive characters in the game. Again, I think fan reaction shows that's not a majority complaint.

Автор сообщения: King Brian

Or maybe I'm looking too much into it.

You definitely are.

Oh okay, well again we'd have to do a survey, cause if people don't bother complaining that doesn't mean they are complying, they just gave up or didn't bother, since this isn't the first game to do it in recent years, to purposely make characters look average. I myself said that the only one I like in the game is Judy, she isn't my ideal but she's pretty much okay, she's mestiza, she's a Latina, and I like her but yeah it just looks like there's not much choice there, I tried to like Panam but then when I saw a close up in a cutscene(you know the one), I was like "nope nope nope, ew, okay I'm reloading, avoid this outcome", and the NPCs, there's some walking granny looking women acting like they're 20(it's their clothes)..and it's the ONLY women lol, it's just....ugh. lol

[Human Form]

Sure, characters could be more attractive but I guess they're using their resources in fixing the technical issues first?

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: Human Form

Sure, characters could be more attractive but I guess they're using their resources in fixing the technical issues first?

I understand what you're saying if we're talking about what takes priority now. But it's not an excuse for the game's release and art design cause we have evidence/pictures of characters that looked way better(hotter) in 2018, then worse in 2019 and then even worse in 2020, which leads me to think that this was on purpose.

[libērtaŞ]

Well anyway good talk, just wanted to post this for people to read and then discuss among themselves. If you think it's an issue that they gave virtually no options for an entire race group in customization options, that they did the same with the romance options(not much variance) and whether this was intentional or accidental.

[Tanoomba]

Автор сообщения: King Brian

Oh okay, well again we'd have to do a survey

Well, we don't really need a survey.
If you compare the number of people who've complained about characters not being attractive enough to people who've been vocal about finding characters in the games attractive, there's no comparison.

[libērtaŞ]

Автор сообщения: Tanoomba

Автор сообщения: King Brian

Oh okay, well again we'd have to do a survey

Well, we don't really need a survey.
If you compare the number of people who've complained about characters not being attractive enough and compare that to people who've been vocal about finding characters in the games attractive, there's no comparison.

I already addressed this, that's not even remotely accurate at all to draw that kind of conclusion, you're only looking at people who bothered to complain out of the average player base mind you, that is still playing the game, and you'd have to go around steam and every other game forum on the net to see how many people did so and when did they do it most, perhaps a year ago and since then stopped cause they figured there's no point, perhaps such threads(like on reddit) got taken down for "hate speech" or some other bs excuse(which I did see happen). You're not considering the number of people who didn't bother to complain. that doesn't mean they don't exist, that tenths of thousands or millions are a silent majority that don't exist.

Assumption < an official survey by the company. There's no comparison.

[Tanoomba]

Автор сообщения: King Brian

You're not considering the number of people who didn't bother to complain.

Oh, but I am.
Complainers are more vocal that satisfied people and always have been. If we're getting more positive reception than complaints for a completely subjective interpretation of ONE aspect of the game (how attractive the characters are), then it's because more people like that thing than don't. You're literally the only person I've ever heard claim that there are no attractive characters in the game, whereas I've seen many, MANY people (both praising AND criticizing the game) openly acknowledge the attractive nature of several of the game's characters.