If Johnny Silverhand takes Female V's body does this mean that he is trans?

[Jocko]

What if he prefers his male pronouns?
What if he conforms to the pronouns of the body's biological gender but is still into girls/women, will this make him a lesbian?
What if he, as a male, discovers the joys of being female, and decides to be trans but while being in control of female V's body also is gay.. will this make him a straight non-trans woman?

The perplexing questions this game raises o-0

[Myta]

when you're a body stealing brain terrorist I don't think you can afford to be picky

[Jocko]

Messaggio originale di Myta:

when you're a body stealing brain terrorist I don't think you can afford to be picky

To be fair he didn't steal the body, he was forcefully insertet into it.

[Miden]

Dude... Best food for thought ever HAHAHA

[Myta]

you know what a better question is? when the Ripperdoc Victor from the beginning of the game installed your Cyberware he cleaned your software free from viruses and imperfections, but at no point during the game does any Ripperdoc ever do that same refresh for you, or it'd effectively kill of Johnny Silvercock and the story would end, and before you say V only didn't do it because Johnny wouldn't let him, V didn't know Vic cleaned his software when you installed the cyberware, so V could subconsciously visit Vic again hoping he'd do the same thing and remove johnny, but chooses not to, not because he likes johnny, but because it isn't an option, just some actual food for thought

[Jocko]

Messaggio originale di Myta:

you know what a better question is? when the Ripperdoc Victor from the beginning of the game installed your Cyberware he cleaned your software free from viruses and imperfections, but at no point during the game does any Ripperdoc ever do that same refresh for you, or it'd effectively kill of Johnny Silvercock and the story would end, and before you say V only didn't do it because Johnny wouldn't let him, V didn't know Vic cleaned his software when you installed the cyberware, so V could subconsciously visit Vic again hoping he'd do the same thing and remove johnny, but chooses not to, not because he likes johnny, but because it isn't an option, just some actual food for thought

Maybe Johnny was hiding in the back of V's psyche, or maybe it's just a sort of plot armour.
I could imagine that some experimental Arasaka tech would nullify some street doc's anti-virus software.

[talemore]

He probably was gay the way Johnny romances a man in the backflash

[JerBeware]

Messaggio originale di Myta:

you know what a better question is? when the Ripperdoc Victor from the beginning of the game installed your Cyberware he cleaned your software free from viruses and imperfections, but at no point during the game does any Ripperdoc ever do that same refresh for you, or it'd effectively kill of Johnny Silvercock and the story would end, and before you say V only didn't do it because Johnny wouldn't let him, V didn't know Vic cleaned his software when you installed the cyberware, so V could subconsciously visit Vic again hoping he'd do the same thing and remove johnny, but chooses not to, not because he likes johnny, but because it isn't an option, just some actual food for thought

The way I interpreted was that they couldn't separate it out anymore. The two were intertwined. If they cleaned out Johnny after V was shot, due to the way the chip functioned and the overwrite that was happening, V would still die.

[JerBeware]

Messaggio originale di Jocko:

What if he prefers his male pronouns?
What if he conforms to the pronouns of the body's biological gender but is still into girls/women, will this make him a lesbian?
What if he, as a male, discovers the joys of being female, and decides to be trans but while being in control of female V's body also is gay.. will this make him a straight non-trans woman?

The perplexing questions this game raises o-0

Would be interesting to see post-game, whether or not they designed his future for any of those styles (or if they still really envisioned Johnny as taking over a male V's body).

[Roux]

Messaggio originale di nomadultimatum:

Messaggio originale di Myta:

you know what a better question is? when the Ripperdoc Victor from the beginning of the game installed your Cyberware he cleaned your software free from viruses and imperfections, but at no point during the game does any Ripperdoc ever do that same refresh for you, or it'd effectively kill of Johnny Silvercock and the story would end, and before you say V only didn't do it because Johnny wouldn't let him, V didn't know Vic cleaned his software when you installed the cyberware, so V could subconsciously visit Vic again hoping he'd do the same thing and remove johnny, but chooses not to, not because he likes johnny, but because it isn't an option, just some actual food for thought

The way I interpreted was that they couldn't separate it out anymore. The two were intertwined. If they cleaned out Johnny after V was shot, due to the way the chip functioned and the overwrite that was happening, V would still die.

This is accurate.

They say in the game that the chip is keeping V alive by filling in the "damaged" areas "with Johnny". The pathways created are incompatible with V alone, and if Johnny were removed, best case V would lapse into a coma as enough of their brain would not function. Most likely, V would just die. The chip is tied to Johnny, and when V dies it triggers the chip to try to rewrite the brain itself only insofar as to provide a good host for Johnny. There's some handwavy semi-accurate neurobiological concepts discussed to make it sound "solid" and "official", but end of the day the theoretical and conceptual underpinnings of why V is doomed to die no matter what are explained fairly logically if you pay attention to the details of the story (and read shards!)

It does definitely intersect with the trans themes that have been present in Cyberpunk genre literature since the genre's inception, though; transhumanism, after all, is another form of trans philosophy. All the way back in Neuromancer, we saw Gibson address the posthuman condition; that our minds are fundamentally separate from our flesh prisons of meat, and that inevitably with the rise of increasingly available and complex technology would we see a corresponding rise in "customization" of that flesh prison beyond the limits of pre-modern technology up to and including ascent beyond the flesh entirely into the realm of the conceptual.

Cyberpunk, as a genre, after all (and no matter the protests of those who cannot stand to recognize this) emerged largely as backlash to stereotypical hard sci-fi portrayals of utopian futures as a response and accompaniment to the co-occuring cultural emergence of '60s feminist theory and a growing zeitgeist of dissatisfaction with nationalist revisionism that sought to purge contemporary history of the shame of complicity with movements like Fascism that horrified a world not even 30 years out from World War II. Cyberpunk was, and remains, a genre squarely centered around contemporary cultural commentary and a method of approaching marginalized identities' grossly divergent experience of pervasive, mythological ur-culture from the mainstream.

[Jocko]

Trans!

[Jocko]

Bump!

[Bellamy]

Technically he would not be transgender, since the body he was born with coincides with his gender. A transgender person is born in a body that does not fit his or her true gender. Johnny had a lifetime in his own cis gender body. He would simply be a man that became trapped in a woman's body. Since he is a man, regardless of whose body he lands in, he would still be his own sexuality and identity - (In your example, he would be a heterosexual man who became trapped in the body of a woman.) man. The real question for me is whether he would alter the body eventually to be male appearing, so that he could feel more like himself; or would he keep V's body as it was out of respect for his friend (assuming that you are friends with him).

[TdogEN]

i had the same thought, its cool to find someone with the same questions as me

[Azrael]

Only because he as a male ends up in a female body does not make him trans. He's a heterosexual male in a female body which is not his. Even if he's attracted to women and living in the body of a woman does not make him lesbian, since he's heterosexual still.

Also i'm fairly sure in 2077 there are already medication for people who are suffering from gender dysphoria or if not, they still have the modern technology to basically switch out any limb or organ they want, so looking from the example of Claire, anyone could morph themselves into whatever they want. So basically the term "trans" wouldn't even exist anymore or make any sense whatsoever. If Claure never told anyone she was male before nobody would know since she's basically a full fledged woman at this point with every limb and body part a woman has.

(afaik in the Cyberpunk lore people are actually went above and beyond about this and basically turned into real life furries and stuff, not stopping on being human, they started to turn into animals and such since they can do so).

Also since we have Mr Studd and Midnight Lady products, pretty much a plug-and-play change whether someone wants to have a D or V when they wake up in the morning.

[Zero McDol]

He does not believe that he is a she, so no. Silverhand's copy is simply trapped in female V's body.