Is Cyberpunk 2077 a political game?

[LUDEO]

Even before the launch of Cyberpunk 2077 people started to discuss what this game might be about and whether it reflects upon current political and social issues. Based on an interview with the game´s lead quest designer Pawel Sasko, various websites stated in 2020 that it would not be a “political game”.
As the Cyberpunk genre has historically embraced politics this statement was unexpected and raised the question whether CD Project Red was shying away from one of the genre’s core traits.
With the game released we are now able to find out what Sasko meant with his quote and we might also answer the question:
What do the developers want to tell us with their game?
And Is Cyberpunk 2077 political?

https://youtu.be/dyE_qnXk3bE

[Smetrix]

Remember when this was about Cyberpunk? Good times

[halbermensch999]

Nguyên văn bởi Smetrix:

Remember when this was about Cyberpunk? Good times

Make no mistake, Cyberpunk is highly political.
It's the same with Deus Ex games, if you have political knowledge you can really dig quite deeply into what the games are bringing up, even though not everything in those games happen yet.

Cyberpunk is not wrong that the power is more into the hand of corpos, we've seen for decades how many wilfully give up on their own bargaining power of unions just to help the top guy in hopes that it helps us in the end. It's a bit like helping the healthiest patient in the hospital.

Well, a recent study said what most everyone already knows. 50 years of trickle down has not worked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-50-years-no-trickle-down/

Who runs the show? Should it be like this?

"The analysts found that when controlling for the power of economic elites and organized interest groups, the influence of ordinary Americans registers at a "non-significant, near-zero level." The analysts further discovered that rich individuals and business-dominated interest groups dominate the policymaking process. The mass-based interest groups had minimal influence compared to the business-based interest groups"
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/most-non-rich-us-voters-have-near-zero-level-impact-on-national-policy-new-study-concludes

Why are for instance millennials quite a lot poorer than some other more recent generations? It's not by mistake, but by design.

[Wisp Cat]

Nguyên văn bởi halbermensch999:

Why are for instance millennials quite a lot poorer than some other more recent generations? It's not by mistake, but by design.

I think that that's a half truth: it's by mistake and its by design.

The mistake (or, one mistake) was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis

The design was incorporating that hypothesis into laws and policies.

It's not all bad, but it's definitely not all good.

And, rather than the cyberpunk future, I would anticipate that an EMH future would be a future where we can buy the right to search for the ads we like. And, deluxe ad systems would support the ability to view other ads while viewing ads -- sort of along the lines of "picture in picture".

Anyways... we do need to come up with something better. But the way things are right now is maybe not awful enough to really motivate that. And it probably doesn't help that people tend to be really annoying about things.

But, still: "not by mistake, but by design" suggests something different from what actually happened.

[benwaggoner]

Well, I think it's telling that a conversation about politics in Cyberpunk 2077 stopped talking about the game as soon as it started talking about politics. There's really not that much substantive political exploration or discourse going on in the game. Which is...fine? It's a game. It has much more of a political attitude than agenda.

[Doctor Go-Go]

politics are in everything. It's just most people are too dense to notice unless there is a big flag.

No religious nor political talk permitted? Okay gestapo but just about anything could be considered one or the other. It's a childish policy just don't forget the door swings both ways.

The internet and video games have become medium for oppressive dictation, harassment, abuse, censorship and brainwashing.

The very things, books, cinema and video games have been alluding to for about 75 years. WAKE UP! Don't let them control what you know and think.

[Irish Parker]

Is Coke really a Soft Drink?

[Wisp Cat]

Nguyên văn bởi Doctor Go-Go:

politics are in everything. It's just most people are too dense to notice unless there is a big flag.

No religious nor political talk permitted? Okay gestapo but just about anything could be considered one or the other. It's a childish policy just don't forget the door swings both ways.

You are in false dilemma[google.com] territory.

[Oparator Stalker]

Nguyên văn bởi Smetrix:

Remember when this was about Cyberpunk? Good times

Yeah I hear you. but there are those who got to go out of context of the game, and make a conspiracy theory of everything in this game. So why would not someone else come in and make it all political?

The logic is...
It's like listen to someone short a few of a six pack, explain to you, that when listening to a record in revers the devil is speaking to you in tongues. And they are the expert in this because they spent all their life locked up in a dark room listening. They even give you links to demon knowledge web sights. And then you have others who, unclear who they are, jump in and are like "yeah it dose" and so forth.

As if NO game or movie ever, ever made, has Corp in charge of everything. Resident Evil is a example of such a game. The "Alien" movie is a Example of such a movie. Another movie is Johnny Mnemonic. Another game is Fall Out. Because it has been stated Vault Tech is tied into what happen that lead to WWIII. Now most of my games are Combat genre games. And many of mine are older games because I am not "gotta have a new game because it is new.." I play what I like, if I do not like it, I will not be buying it.

But wait, I am sure someone can list other type games that also are in this as well. So CP2077 Is not some kind of hidden political agenda that needs to be driven out.

What really needs to be driven out is the fiction-dramatics by these people who obviously need to unplug and go discover the world outside their cave.... to add, this guy does not even own the game on steam anyway..

[SkunkWerks]

Everything's political.

If you think it isn't it's usually because the political thing you think isn't agrees with or doesn't challenge your politics.

And the genre of "cyberpunk" typically comes prepackaged with a lot of messaging on it's own- as others have noted.

Finally, game publishers like to call what they do "apolitical" mostly out of fear of offending some part of their audiences' sensibilities with a product.

[Punished Rusty Shackleford]

It's "baby's first exposure to the cyberpunk" genre game. the entire genre is about corporate dominance, hyper sexualization, and fighting against the establishment (the word punk is in the genre's name). The people who complain about this on YT are doing it for "hate clicks" and the people who rage about it here are doing the same thing. Except the latter is doing it for free.

[Doctor Go-Go]

Nguyên văn bởi Wednesday Crisis:

Nguyên văn bởi Doctor Go-Go:

politics are in everything. It's just most people are too dense to notice unless there is a big flag.

No religious nor political talk permitted? Okay gestapo but just about anything could be considered one or the other. It's a childish policy just don't forget the door swings both ways.

You are in false dilemma[google.com] territory.

It would help if you actually used it in a sensible context. You're like a color-blind man telling someone else they're mistaken because they see blue.

I MUST be crazy for reading between their thin lines.

Nguyên văn bởi Shrapnel:

Nguyên văn bởi Tony Tornado:

Is Coke really a Soft Drink?

Not if you snort it

"OH YEAH!" Said Kool Aid man after pulling both straws from his nose.

[CadaveR]

Wasn't this already closed?

[Doctor Go-Go]

*Shrugs* I doubt many noticed. I something with the word political in the title was closed the other day but don't know if it's the same creator, didn't read much or any of it since it was closed. Maybe it's just coincidental.

By NO political discussions I thought they meant NO heavy real world politics. And I really think that has more to do with so many foreign nations and third parties being involved.

Now they're more focused on damage control and keeping peace than letting people speak their minds.

But remember, let them take one inch and they'll try take another then they'll be taking miles. That's what happens when people don't stand their ground, because tyrants always want more. If you don't keep them busy trying to stop everyone from saying whatever the ♥♥♥♥ they feel like they'll try to take something else away from us. Keep them busy fighting a futile battle. I mean to say, ONLY fight the battles you can win BUT keep them distracted with a battle they believe is real and worth directing all of their attention to. Hopefully they'll never figure it out. More often than not they never do.

[LUDEO]

Nguyên văn bởi Locke:

Wasn't this already closed?

Why should it be closed?

[Andrea Honeybee]

Nguyên văn bởi LUDEO:

Nguyên văn bởi Locke:

Wasn't this already closed?

Why should it be closed?

There was another topic that was opened that was specifically about real world politics and it quickly devolved into a huge argument and was closed, so that's probably what they are remembering. As for this topic, seeing as its based on in-game and fictional politics, doesn't deserve to be closed (imo).