Stealth tips?

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

I wanted to play the game as like, a spy type character since this is one of the few games where you can actually try that and get a backstory that builds it up for you. Yet, I dont seem to be capable of it at all.

I stealth, I hide, I cut all cameras with breach protocol, or manually turn them off, or use laptop to turn them off
I use sonic shock to disrupt comms so they can't alert enemies when I take them out.
I use system shut down to shut them down without making any noise
I breach optics and shut down vision so they cant see their allies faling.

I do all from stealth.

No alarm, no cameras, no comms, no vision, then all of a sudden two dudes from down the hallway come running up guns blazing at me.

How the ♥♥♥♥ do you stealth in this game?! What am I missing? Do you HAVE to max out Cool ?
I assumed if they couldn't communicate, and couldn't be seen, that there'd be no way for someone to find out they were taken out, yet, dudes somehow knew from down the hall.

How do you stealth, what am I doing wrong? Cameras turn themselves on, people without vision still shoot at me, people with disrupted coms still communicate, and dont get me started on 'friendly turrets' that shoot me despite being breached AND then also individually quickhacked.

tips appreciated. I beat the game and still have no idea how to stealth, i'm crouching, im busting their optics, and their coms, and their cameras, and using quickhacks like system shut down to take them down without any noise. Only thing that seems to be full proof is the silent take down where you push F then R, but then the AI will always find the body, like, always, its like the AI goes straight for the body every time no matter where I hide it even if its out of their normal walking path.

[Maahes]

*shrug* Basically, it's broken.

I played, probably, 75% of the game like ti was Deus Ex or Dishonored. Went to 20 Cool, took all the gee-whiz Stealth stuff, even picked up the new Optical Camo.

And sometimes, the game just... doesn't work right.

I've had enemies "find" bodies and go on alert even though I left them outside the mission area, on a roof, behind multiple walls, or what have you. One Side Job had a guy standing with his back to me, and if I even entered the room, despite being completely hidden behind a counter and such, he triggered. I've had regular schmoes see through the Optical Camo and start shooting. I've had people literally see through walls to spot me.

It's basically a buggy ride if you're going the stealth route. Hell, I've had a quicksave, then got spotted and the enemy alerted, so I re-loaded, and they were STILL alerted from back at the save point, even though they weren't at the save.

Chalk it up to "high tech" I suppose. Maybe the guy seeing me through the walls has IR vision or something, I don't know. But, yeah, it can be frustrating.

As far as advice? Keep at it. It can be fun. And it's fun when you DO get spotted and just have to open fire sometimes, too.

But... yeah. Stealth. Another poorly implemented system in CP2077.

[Roderick]

As far as my experience goes, as long as the dead bodies are not hidden inside a create or trunk or anything else which lets you dump bodies, they will be found, even if they are placed somewhere no npc ever goes.

And there is a way for other netrunners to reveal your location, but you should the that on screen as a progress bar goes up for that.

[Max]

Originally posted by Maahes:

*shrug* Basically, it's broken.

I played, probably, 75% of the game like ti was Deus Ex or Dishonored. Went to 20 Cool, took all the gee-whiz Stealth stuff, even picked up the new Optical Camo.

And sometimes, the game just... doesn't work right.

I've had enemies "find" bodies and go on alert even though I left them outside the mission area, on a roof, behind multiple walls, or what have you. One Side Job had a guy standing with his back to me, and if I even entered the room, despite being completely hidden behind a counter and such, he triggered. I've had regular schmoes see through the Optical Camo and start shooting. I've had people literally see through walls to spot me.

It's basically a buggy ride if you're going the stealth route. Hell, I've had a quicksave, then got spotted and the enemy alerted, so I re-loaded, and they were STILL alerted from back at the save point, even though they weren't at the save.

Chalk it up to "high tech" I suppose. Maybe the guy seeing me through the walls has IR vision or something, I don't know. But, yeah, it can be frustrating.

As far as advice? Keep at it. It can be fun. And it's fun when you DO get spotted and just have to open fire sometimes, too.

But... yeah. Stealth. Another poorly implemented system in CP2077.

LOL

[Rune]

Originally posted by Roderick:

As far as my experience goes, as long as the dead bodies are not hidden inside a create or trunk or anything else which lets you dump bodies, they will be found, even if they are placed somewhere no npc ever goes.

And there is a way for other netrunners to reveal your location, but you should the that on screen as a progress bar goes up for that.

Same.
If I can't do a stealth takedown and throw them in a create or something then I avoid them. It's quite easy anyway with a good 'cool' number. You can even grab them and walk them to a create with dudes around. But note that you can't really take them out and carry the body without the body being seen, even if you aren't seen. You can see this if all of the sudden the enemies goes in to search mode while carrying them.

[Jac]

I can do stealth runs pretty consistently but I find the only way to do it reliably is to just do grabs and non-lethal takedowns - then stash the goon in a dumpster. System Reset is probably the best quickhack to use as that actually does take someone out without alerting anybody. Memory wipe is supposed to take someone out of combat state but that doesn't seem effective to me and by that time it would be too late anyhow - once one goon is alerted you are in combat state so stealth is over.

[['w']]

plan your route better and use double jump

[Maahes]

Honestly? The AI is pretty crap. Usually I just took a suppressed Overture, a bunch of perks that increased stealth/headshot/whatever damage, and snuck around popping domes. Drop one, some others alert and start searching, 1-2 always wander over to, I dunno... check the headless corpse for vitals or something? Pop their domes, rinse and repeat.

The only real reason to go all stealthy is if the Mission/Job/Gig requires (or requests) it, or if you just REALLY like making the game take longer. Which...I guess I did, looking at my total hours for one play through. LOL.

[Fenris]

Kinda weird, did all those things with a netrunner and eventually they'd do the locate cheat, I mean hack, and find me.

This playthrough I decided to go pistols and melee with stealth attacks. I only have 4 cool right now and nothing in the stealth tree yet except for the extra 25% damage from silenced weapons, working on crafting first. I can now headshot people and even when they find the body they dont know where I am. I can sit behind a wall and just headshot one after another, they group around the dead bodies and yell out insults, but almost never find me smh

And it seems as though the Synaptic Accelerator is bugged. It is supposed to slow down time for 2 seconds when I'm spotted with a 60 second cool down. But if they start to notice me and I back out of their line of site before the 2 seconds is up the Synaptic Accelerator will immediately reset and can be used again.

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

Ah it seems from your comments that the game expects you to use the body stashing feature for stealth, anything less and you will be discovered. I suppose it makes sense, but theres rarely ever anything so convenient so I never bothered not even once.

yes I know you can just go in guns blazing, but thats what I do for literally every other game, this time, I wanted to try a true stealth style, and this game reminded me why I never did that in any other game: stealth never works, in anything, ever.

I even tried the silencer it didnt do a damn thing. Stealthed and silenced weapon, maybe it depends on the weapon you silence? I tried it with assault rifles and I wanted to silence my sniper rifle but i couldnt figure out how to do it, didnt seem like it was an option? Which is odd because thats the weapon you WOULD silence. idk.

[scjay]

Originally posted by Jiren, The Strongest:

Ah it seems from your comments that the game expects you to use the body stashing feature for stealth, anything less and you will be discovered. I suppose it makes sense, but theres rarely ever anything so convenient so I never bothered not even once.

yes I know you can just go in guns blazing, but thats what I do for literally every other game, this time, I wanted to try a true stealth style, and this game reminded me why I never did that in any other game: stealth never works, in anything, ever.

I even tried the silencer it didnt do a damn thing. Stealthed and silenced weapon, maybe it depends on the weapon you silence? I tried it with assault rifles and I wanted to silence my sniper rifle but i couldnt figure out how to do it, didnt seem like it was an option? Which is odd because thats the weapon you WOULD silence. idk.

If you want a good "Stealth" based game, try Deus EX MD or HR

[Wayz]

Hit optical camo, Hack to divert attention, hack optics, make cams yours, system resets etc.
Basically hack the crap out of everything.

[Fenris]

For my non hacker playthrough, I just use an Overture with a silencer on it and head shot them. They know something happened if the body is in sight of another NPC, but they still just wander around aimlessly on alert trying to figure it out. After a short time they return to their starting position or their patrol route. If fact even if they group up I can just head shot one after another and they never find me unless I screw up and come into their line of sight.

On my hacker, like the above poster said "I just hack everything" and with legendary hacks the passive abilities and extra breach protocols make short work of them, sometimes without them getting a shot off. They do use their cheat reveal ability, but if the one doing it dies before it goes off they don't find me that way.

Oddly with my stealth pistol/melee character I can kill a couple, have the bodies found, and they never use that reveal cheat against him. I'm guessing (based on zero real evidence) that CDPR will eventually change that so the NPCs can cheat against everybody,

[Nobody]

Why didn't they include silencer for a sniper rifle (apart from special mission)?
Why didn't they include a flashlight or night vision?

It's the way to "balance" this game basically, they could not (or did not have time) to deal with it in some natural way, or just resented the idea to make it too easy for people to play it, we'll never know for sure.

[Maahes]

Originally posted by scjay:

If you want a good "Stealth" based game, try Deus EX :jensen: MD or HR

Yep. Or the Dishonored series. Deus Ex and Dishonored are still some of my all-time favorites, because that's how I enjoy playing. Stealthy.

CP2077 Doesn't measure up in that aspect.

[Grobut]

The dumpster thing is really important. I think what's happening is this: As you (the player) move around, world culling is happening, IE parts of the level that you can't see is not getting rendered. But the enemies are still there, so if you leave a guy choked out in a room on the 1'st floor of a building, then move up to the 3'rd floor, the walls at the 1'st floor stop rendering, and the enemies will see the chocked out dude because the walls aren't being calculated anymore (but the enemies vision apparently still is, ergo they will see the body).

Stuffing people in containers is the only way to stop that.

As for cameras you've disabled getting re-enabled: This happens if there's an enemy Netrunner still alive and alert. If you blow stealth and alert the enemies, and there's a runner somewhere, the runner will re-enable the cams (so this one's not a bug).


But really, my advice is this: Don't get spotted (hacks like Memory-wipe don't seem to do much of anything, so considder your stealth run blown the moment you get spotted and enemies go on alert), don't think silent weapons are completely silent, because they aren't (and the bigger the gun the less silent they become, a silenced Overture revolver will still alert enemies if they stand close enough), use Distract, a lot, it's super useful, and finally, every man and woman deserves a box, so put them in one.