Cyberpunk 2077 - Graphics Downgrade Controversy Sends Fans Into An Uproar! All New Updates!

[SleeplessNights21]

So I watched two video's one on the current Patch 1.3 how bad the graphics were downgraded and the Demo of Cyberpunk versus the retail comparison and wow this company has really let players down big time. Why would they downgrade the game totally unacceptable. I wanted to re purchase but these patches are getting worse and downgrading the game is very low blow for gamer's. How dare they think they can do this to gamer's !
So freaken angry!

Patch 1.3 Graphics DOWNGRADE THESE ARE SOME HORRIBLE STUPID DEV'S!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7KOwRikR3U&t=2s

Demo versus retail WTF!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogihi-OewPQ

[Zero McDol]

I'd say that I'm upset but I'm not for this, one, reason. Photorealism Enhancement. Using that, the AI already makes Cp77 look photorealistic (after giving it much time to learn).

Even now compared to my older video that I recorded, the AI has already learned a great deal more to the point where all of my games look a great deal more photorealistic then they normally would.

Reflections? Sure it's disappointing, but it wouldn't be the first disappointment that I've experienced with this game and it's company, and I'm sure that it won't be the last.

[aimansyahin]

The reason they're doing this is probably to make the game more playable on consoles or people who doesn't meet the requirement of the game. The most noticeable thing for me on the recent updates is the draw distance, sometimes shadows, grass and those zebra line render right in front of me while driving.

But yeah like the guy before said, this sucks but not the main reason I'm upset with the game.

[🐠🍑]

Publicado originalmente por aimansyahin:

The reason they're doing this is probably to make the game more playable on consoles or people who doesn't meet the requirement of the game.

The tried and true cdpr tradition of cutting content until it just works surprisingly well.

[Titan Awaken]

Damn, I’m getting the strongest feeling of déjà vu right now; it’s almost like I’ve experienced this exact moment in a memory or a past life or something…

Oh wait, I have witnessed the exact same thing happen before[gamerant.com]!

Okay seriously, sarcasm aside this “graphical downgrade” accusation is literally a 1 to 1 repeat of the Spiderman PS4 “Puddlegate” controversy a few years back that was directly debunked by Insomniac Games (the devs).

The developers changing or removing a few puddles on the ground does not constitute a “graphical downgrade”. If you have any objections with this, you are welcome to email Insomniac Games directly.

If you really like your puddles and reflections, you are free to install a weather mod that makes the game always rainy and wet. That way you can always have your SSR/RT puddles on the road and whatnot.

Everyone wins.

[Zero McDol]

Publicado originalmente por Titan Awaken:

Damn, I’m getting the strongest feeling of déjà vu right now; it’s almost like I’ve experienced this exact moment in a memory or a past life or something…

Oh wait, I have witnessed the exact same thing happen before[gamerant.com]!

Okay seriously, sarcasm aside this “graphical downgrade” accusation is literally a 1 to 1 repeat of the Spiderman PS4 “Puddlegate” controversy a few years back that was directly debunked by Insomniac Games (the devs).

The developers changing or removing a few puddles on the ground does not constitute a “graphical downgrade”. If you have any objections with this, you are welcome to email Insomniac Games directly.

If you really like your puddles and reflections, you are free to install a weather mod that makes the game always rainy and wet. That way you can always have your SSR/RT puddles on the road and whatnot.

Everyone wins.

Removing puddles is a downgrade, just not a graphical downgrade. CDPR removing puddles is a removal of content to be exact, and that's plenty reason to be upset about that.

Not everyone uses or even trusts mods, so saying to use a mod doesn't really address the elephant in the room; CDPR removed said content from the game. It doesn't matter why, though obvious - performance, it's still a removal of something that apparently lots of players enjoyed.

[Titan Awaken]

And as for the “2018 Demo vs Retail” video: I genuinely do not understand what you are seeing in the 2018 Demo that the retail version lacks.

The 2018 Demo is significantly less vibrant and employs a much blander color palette than the Retail version resulting in a washed out, almost bleached image.

Additionally the metallic surfaces of the cars in the 2018 Demo are noticeably less reflective and lustrous (compared to the Retail cut) than what one would expect from a futuristic car.

The concrete roads in the 2018 Demo also lack the scattering of sunlight present in the Retail cut.

Distant shadows (like the skyscrapers) are almost entirely absent in the 2018 Demo which makes depth perception pretty difficult while the Retail cut features distant shadows.

I could go on but what you are essentially seeing is a romanticized view of the 2018 Demo. If you look at it through a purely neutral lens, you will see the retail cut improves visual quality significantly over the demo.

[Titan Awaken]

Publicado originalmente por Zero McDol:

Removing puddles is a downgrade, just not a graphical downgrade. CDPR removing puddles is a removal of content to be exact, and that's plenty reason to be upset about that.

Like I said, I don’t get to make the calls because it ain’t my game and it will never be.

I’m just saying that this exact situation has happened before a few years back and was debunked directly by the devs of that game. You can view their Tweet here.

You are free to disagree with their assessment. However the onus of proof is on you now to show directly, incontrovertibly and without a shadow of a doubt that it is a graphical downgrade.

Only difference is that you’re not squaring up with a random nobody on the internet like me. You’re up against one of the leading AAA studios who have published several critically and fan acclaimed games in recent years and past.

[Zero McDol]

Publicado originalmente por Titan Awaken:

Publicado originalmente por Zero McDol:

Removing puddles is a downgrade, just not a graphical downgrade. CDPR removing puddles is a removal of content to be exact, and that's plenty reason to be upset about that.

Like I said, I don’t get to make the calls because it ain’t my game and it will never be.

I’m just saying that this exact situation has happened before a few years back and was debunked directly by the devs of that game. You can view their Tweet here.

You are free to disagree with their assessment. However the onus of proof is on you now to show directly, incontrovertibly and without a shadow of a doubt that it is a graphical downgrade.

I would look for and offer proof of some kind, but I never said that it was a graphical downgrade.

[[N63] chrisragnar]

I'm not sure why anyone was surprised. I mean I'm surprised they decided to launch on the old consols at all, but here we are with a gimped game because of consoles and capitalism

[Grimsdottir]

I'm just gonna put this out there but anyone who has bought any Ubisoft title has no reason to be mad over a few slight downgrades graphically. On older consoles especially given the hardware limitations.

The game on PC still looks stunning. This game doesn't pull a "here's a slick trailer" and then the game looks like a potato like every ubisoft game. I'd say I got what I purchased judging by the screen shots and trailers.
Bugs aside, it looks gorgeous.

[Orochimaru]

Publicado originalmente por aimansyahin:

The reason they're doing this is probably to make the game more playable on consoles....

Yet again I find myself reminding people - THE CONSOLE VERSION OF THE GAME AND THE PC VERSION OF THE GAME ARE TWO UNIQUE BUILDS OF THE GAME. Nothing done to the PC version is done because of console. It is it's own version.

[vonbleak]

Publicado originalmente por aimansyahin:

The reason they're doing this is probably to make the game more playable on consoles or people who doesn't meet the requirement of the game. The most noticeable thing for me on the recent updates is the draw distance, sometimes shadows, grass and those zebra line render right in front of me while driving.

But yeah like the guy before said, this sucks but not the main reason I'm upset with the game.

Which is why it makes no sense to that on PC - just make it an option in the settings lol...

[Ares4X]

Publicado originalmente por SleeplessNights21:

So I watched two video's one on the current Patch 1.3 how bad the graphics were downgraded and the Demo of Cyberpunk versus the retail comparison and wow this company has really let players down big time. Why would they downgrade the game totally unacceptable. I wanted to re purchase but these patches are getting worse and downgrading the game is very low blow for gamer's. How dare they think they can do this to gamer's !
So freaken angry!

Patch 1.3 Graphics DOWNGRADE THESE ARE SOME HORRIBLE STUPID DEV'S!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7KOwRikR3U&t=2s

Demo versus retail WTF!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogihi-OewPQ

My game looks almost like the E3 2018 Gameplay Demo, cause of retextures, clothes, meshes and lighting ;)

[Muscarine]

Publicado originalmente por Zero McDol:

Removing puddles is a downgrade, just not a graphical downgrade. CDPR removing puddles is a removal of content to be exact, and that's plenty reason to be upset about that.

Not everyone uses or even trusts mods, so saying to use a mod doesn't really address the elephant in the room; CDPR removed said content from the game. It doesn't matter why, though obvious - performance, it's still a removal of something that apparently lots of players enjoyed.

People denying we lost wet roads aside, coz we did

I played the game again (put it back down again too but that's another topic) and had some rain
Sure enough the roads no longer get wet, aside from a couple puddles here and there
These puddles were already here before, they are meant to show damaged roads, on top of the wet effect
But right now they show alone

I've checked various surfaces all around, and sure enough, some surfaces like the sidewalk, concrete slabs, various metallic walkways, still get the original wet effect

And then i noticed, two concrete surfaces right next to each others but with just a different color, one gets wet, the other is still dry

My conclusion is that they actually messed up some materials while reworking SSR, and some of them now have broken properties
Asphalt is the most obvious one

That'd mean it's another bug introduces by 1.3, it's annoying, but it should get fixed as opposed to a deliberate downgrade

edit - that also means mods won't fix it unless they also rework materials, and right now i'm fairly sure none of them do

[Grimsdottir]

Much like RTX.. I don't really look at puddles and reflections and don't really consider RTX a good selling point at all. "oooh! Look at the water! Ohhh! Look at the reflections!" yeah.. I'm getting shot at here and could care less about how nice the mud looks. Sure they're important details to some but I guess thats how I feel. I'm not a graphic's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I'm perfectly fine playing on potato settings if need be so as long as the game runs smooth. And I was curious how this game looked on its lowest settings and I'll be honest. It still looks pretty damn good. I was expecting a ubisoft game level of quality when I checked it out.