Cyberpunk 2077 feels weird to me, maybe a bit "cartoonish" and less serious to me compared to Deus Ex (Human Revolution / Mankind divided).

[The Grin]

I still haven´t finished the game because I actually struggle to finish it.
I am not really into it even tho I arrived at Act 2.
Before playing CyberPunk 2077, I replayed Deux Ex Human Revolution and Mankind Divided and felt a much darker, oppresive atmosphere in these games, making you feel you are not in a " Society" you really want to be as evolved as it is. Each of your action had immediate consequences that you would sooner or later regret.

Strangely, Cyberpunk feels like a " teenage trip " through a city, with metal or rock music on, shooting whatever can be shot, running away or going from a point to another.

The Art direction is exceptionnal of course and the detailled world is comendable but there is something in the gameplay that makes me feel I am just playing like a railway shooter passing from a mission to another without really knowing wether it was impactful or not.

The game is good but for a "Cyberpunk universe" game I don´t think it can be considered to be the best one and certainly not a revolutionnary one.

PS: I must say I was quite amused by the PeePee censorship.....or the "Ken syndrom".

[The Grin]

Publicado originalmente por xnamxoutlawx:

Watch Dogs 2, Rage 2, Far Cry New Dawn...

Sums it all up to me, the hip and edgy "millennials" style you know?

Add Deus Ex then mix them all up and you get in fact Cyberpunk. A strange mixture tho, I must admit.

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Publicado originalmente por Doctor Jonathan Reed:

Publicado originalmente por xnamxoutlawx:

Watch Dogs 2, Rage 2, Far Cry New Dawn...

Sums it all up to me, the hip and edgy "millennials" style you know?

Add Deus Ex then mix them all up and you get in fact Cyberpunk. A strange mixture tho, I must admit.

Equilibrium has been eclipsed by the public because it 100% describes the current already formed way back then corporate culture and structure underneath the dystopian take.
Deus Ex part was overlooked,HR and MD and even the first Deus Ex had more meat in quests,your choices mattered,there were actual fractions,just because they made everyone look like Gunther form the very first Deus Ex does not make this on the same level as Deus Ex ,also atmosphere is not there.
Borderlands 1,2,3 +Watch Dogs 1,2 + Rage 1,2 +Far Cry ND yes.

[The Grin]

Publicado originalmente por gimalaji_blake:

Publicado originalmente por Doctor Jonathan Reed:

Add Deus Ex then mix them all up and you get in fact Cyberpunk. A strange mixture tho, I must admit.

Deus Ex part was overlooked,HR and MD and even the first Deus Ex had more meat in quests,your choices mattered,there were actual fractions,just because they made everyone look like Gunther form the very first Deus Ex does not make this on the same level as Deus Ex ,also atmosphere is not there.
Borderlands 1,2,3 +Watch Dogs 1,2 + Rage 1,2 +Far Cry ND yes.

What ? You add Borderlands now D:
This is getting out of control I guess....just because we have a speaking gun in Cyberpunk....

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Publicado originalmente por Doctor Jonathan Reed:

Publicado originalmente por gimalaji_blake:

Deus Ex part was overlooked,HR and MD and even the first Deus Ex had more meat in quests,your choices mattered,there were actual fractions,just because they made everyone look like Gunther form the very first Deus Ex does not make this on the same level as Deus Ex ,also atmosphere is not there.
Borderlands 1,2,3 +Watch Dogs 1,2 + Rage 1,2 +Far Cry ND yes.

What ? You add Borderlands now D:
This is getting out of control I guess....just because we have a speaking gun in Cyberpunk....
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I always added Borderlands as main comparison if you read my review of the game,what else can you compare a looter/shooter junk collector to? Diablo/Torchlight?
Far Cry New Dawn meets Borderlands and RAGE with ACID graphics,inventory is done by a drunk accountant (a spreadsheet FFS) filled with fetch quests and garbage collector simulator activities with cyberpunk theme slapped on during night time.
Don't get me wrong when this game shines it shines,but mostly I can't take it seriously,because,yeah you have like amazing bathtub with bodies scripted scene,then next thing you do is collect garbage and do fetch quests,yes you have great Yorinobu(I mix these two dudes up lol) killing his father and Jackie's death scene and a bunch of other movie-scenes,but then again after these cut scenes end,you have a fixer dialing you up "oh dude I have a car for you for 15000 eddies",or "oh do you wanna make some eddies go fetch me that thing or that dude/chick from that mobsters hide out",rince/repeat.
Yeah mate your V character is about to die according to the main scripted story line,what do you do? Well Borderlands FETCH QUESTS of course!Since there is not much else to do.
The whole main story drama is kind of lost on me when I collect another ashtray or do like a 100000+ fetch quest to level up,because Takemura is scripted and will be waiting in that bar forever and I need them eddies and xp cause well I want to play out all of the endings for my V including the SOLO one and not get one shot by some low level tier mob in the process.
So probably by the time I get to act 3 enemies will die just when I look at them angrily because I managed to do majority of the tedious OCD patients side activities.

[Muscarine]

It's Noir enough to me that it's above many other games pretending to be as such, e.g. Ubisoft or Bioware games

It gets funny-edgy at times, sure, and it could most definitely have done a lot more regarding both mature and adult content / storytelling
But at least it's not a teen audience game for your typical marvel and star wars fans pretending to be something else

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Publicado originalmente por Muscarine:

It's Noir enough to me that it's above many other games pretending to be as such, e.g. Ubisoft or Bioware games

It gets funny-edgy at times, sure, and it could most definitely have done a lot more regarding both mature and adult content / storytelling
But at least it's not a teen audience game for your typical marvel and star wars fans pretending to be something else

Its noir only during night time and during day time its like Los Santos LMAO.
Yeah if you never watched a cyberpunk themed movie like Blade Runner this game will be enough for you to take selfies with PHOTO MODE,but if you played at least one Deus Ex title or watched a Blade Runner movie and don't have the 80-s nostalgia with a craving for ACID Borderlands/Far Cry New Dawn graphics then its not noir enough for you.
The main point being it misses proper game play and cyberpunk atmosphere.Being a looter/shooter sandbox.Yeah its better than todays Marvel and Star Wars movies,but thats like a really low bar to take on.
As for teen audience I would argue that looters/shooters are made exactly for that audience,you can't surprise me with the game play mechanics from 6(Watch Dogs 2014)/9(Rage 1 2011)/8(Far Cry 3 2012)/ 11(Borderlands 1 2009)/22(Diablo 1 1998) years ago just by adding a cyberpunk skin on it.

[ExplosiveEb1]

I actually very much like that cyberpunk 2077 has a different feel than the deus ex games. In that it is more flashy/colorful/cartoonish as you put it. Its like that because from how i take it, the hyper sexualized colorfulness is just a ruse that the society created to get people to not notice how actually depressing and meaningless their lives are.

It's a means to distract the citizens from thinking about how terrible their lives actually are. So it's meant to be a world where there is a lot of evils being masked by sexuality and flashy colorful things. And i think that is rarely explored in media, especially games. Now unfortunately they seem to have only gone half way in exploring that idea (though that applies to the game as a whole feeling unfinished). So they squandered really nailing down the idea they seemed to have originally wanted to go with.

But they do have certain instances here and there that to me make the game stand out in terms of the darkness they portray compared to other games. For instance if you spend a lot of time listening to the taunts that the enemies say towards your player(which you might not if you play a more aggressive build as opposed to a sneaky build), some are quite brutal and viscous, to the likes that i dont see in many other games, and actually what makes many other games feel "childish."

[The Grin]

Publicado originalmente por ExplosiveEb1:

I actually very much like that cyberpunk 2077 has a different feel than the deus ex games. In that it is more flashy/colorful/cartoonish as you put it. Its like that because from how i take it, the hyper sexualized colorfulness is just a ruse that the society created to get people to not notice how actually depressing and meaningless their lives are.

It's a means to distract the citizens from thinking about how terrible their lives actually are. So it's meant to be a world where there is a lot of evils being masked by sexuality and flashy colorful things. And i think that is rarely explored in media, especially games. Now unfortunately they seem to have only gone half way in exploring that idea (though that applies to the game as a whole feeling unfinished). So they squandered really nailing down the idea they seemed to have originally wanted to go with.

But they do have certain instances here and there that to me make the game stand out in terms of the darkness they portray compared to other games. For instance if you spend a lot of time listening to the taunts that the enemies say towards your player(which you might not if you play a more aggressive build as opposed to a sneaky build), some are quite brutal and viscous, to the likes that i dont see in many other games, and actually what makes many other games feel "childish."

Hmmmm interesting argument indeed.
Yes actually I felt myself a bit oversaturrated by Sex advertisings which are very distracting and may be like you said a way to hide the depressing life people actually have in this city.
And boy what a life that is.....

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Publicado originalmente por ExplosiveEb1:

I actually very much like that cyberpunk 2077 has a different feel than the deus ex games. In that it is more flashy/colorful/cartoonish as you put it. Its like that because from how i take it, the hyper sexualized colorfulness is just a ruse that the society created to get people to not notice how actually depressing and meaningless their lives are.

It's a means to distract the citizens from thinking about how terrible their lives actually are. So it's meant to be a world where there is a lot of evils being masked by sexuality and flashy colorful things. And i think that is rarely explored in media, especially games. Now unfortunately they seem to have only gone half way in exploring that idea (though that applies to the game as a whole feeling unfinished). So they squandered really nailing down the idea they seemed to have originally wanted to go with.

But they do have certain instances here and there that to me make the game stand out in terms of the darkness they portray compared to other games. For instance if you spend a lot of time listening to the taunts that the enemies say towards your player(which you might not if you play a more aggressive build as opposed to a sneaky build), some are quite brutal and viscous, to the likes that i dont see in many other games, and actually what makes many other games feel "childish."

Borderlands/Rage/Far Cry -it all has been done before.I am playing netrunner turned brawler. Just because they say 18+ stuff does not mean the game play is more interesting.If you take The Witcher series whole society hates your character and wages wars with each other in way more "grown up way" than in Cyberpunk 2077, and you roam the streets they spit at you,but sadly that team has been replaced after 2015 by the "next gen" Borderlands/ME Andromeda/Far Cry 3 and beyond reskin crowd,that's why this game feels empty to me.Also in Deus EX HR and even the very first one people look at you as a freak of nature/the whole conflict in that game is based around augmentations and society accepting them or not as opposed to this game where the crowd is just well "fillers" with two emotions duck and run.
Also if you take Blade Runner film that whole film shows you how humanity has declined and how they treat replicants and each other and the aesthetics just add to that feeling.

In Cyberpunk 2077 just basically all game play "okay what fetch quest/outpost should I clean out next",its missing substance.

Yes,the credit should be given when its due,there are two-three side quests including the monk and spicy BD ring and looney bin quests that actually show you how grim the society is,but then everything is more and more filled with same run of the mill fetch quests and scripted DRAMA main story stuff,so these moments that should shock you and be underlined by a dark dystopian atmosphere are well just added to the pile,of "ok,whatever,where is that next fetch quest/loot item/ashtray for parts".

Its all meaningless,yes as I said bathtub prologue scene/Jackies death scene,Yorinobu murdering his father scene-if all the game was like that and with more added depth instead of "looter/shooter/crafter" crap it would be a freaking awesome masterpiece.
But no the devs just had to go the Keanu/Borderlands/FarCry 3 reskin route "make more money" route.
And that's sad,because this game has the bones and the story to be more than a 6-7/10 Borderlands OCD patient fetch-quest looter/shooter garbage collector simulator,if for example there were fractions,fetch quests were replaced by actually meaningful quests that affect end game/in game stuff more,"looter/shooter" was replaced by more actually needed stuff that you have to earn through some hidden side quest and it was useful alter on to progress.And much more other changes need to be made in order for this game to be more than Borderlands/FarCry reskin with potential to be more.

[ChrisPharmD]

Deus Ex is a better game, and it was made 20 years ago.

Pathetic.

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Publicado originalmente por ChrisPharmD:

Deus Ex is a better game, and it was made 20 years ago.

Pathetic.

Well Deus Ex 1 was made in an era when devs actually cared about products they made,it was not just about "shiny" and "adjust your pee pee"+ add some stats,Keanu to trailers and a sobby DRAMATIC main quest line and fill the rest of the game with looter/shooter game play,because it "sells well",since looter/shooters were not a thing back then besides Diablo 1-2.

[The Grin]

Publicado originalmente por ChrisPharmD:

Deus Ex is a better game, and it was made 20 years ago.

Pathetic.

I should have added maybe Human Revolution/Mankind Divided. Not the original Deux Ex.

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Publicado originalmente por Doctor Jonathan Reed:

Publicado originalmente por ChrisPharmD:

Deus Ex is a better game, and it was made 20 years ago.

Pathetic.

I should have added maybe Human Revolution/Mankind Divided. Not the original Deux Ex.

Original Deus Ex also has a lot more to offer than this game play wise and you had actually different endings,fractions etc.With the exception of Deus Ex Invisible War and a crappy mobile spin-off Deus Ex The Fall the whole Deus Ex saga holds pretty well in cyberpunk genre.but again these were not "looter/shooters" with ACID graphics,the whole reason why Deus Ex franchise was dropped is because they never aimed to be.If Deus Ex was to be released today it would be the same or even much worse than Cyberpunk 2077 set in a Ubisoft sandbox for profits.

[drz30]

I'm at 40 hours and I have to force myself to keep on playing. It's just not a very engaging game and then there's all the bugs and glitches. There's a lot of things fundamentally wrong with this game and patches won't fix them.

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