Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberpunk 2077

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Warsaw Jan 7, 2021 @ 3:46pm
HDR in this game
I'm not sure if anyone is having problems or theirs is working just fine in the game as I haven't really experienced HDR issues.

However, I gotta say...this is one of the best looking implementations of HDR I've seen in a game. Going from HDR back to turning it off is a world of difference. The contrast of the image, ranging from the color scheme to the dark variance is just stunning at times. To me I could compare it from turning on/off every single ray tracing possible on a game (say Control), it's that vast of a difference. Luckily the game doesn't allow HDR to get too bright, as I've had in some games where it basically blinds me. The blacks when you're in a dimly lit room or in the black of night is almost impossible to see in. I'm assuming some people that might have issues with HDR in this game or in general probably have the "HDR capable" displays, but are barely HDR enabled (such as HDR400, or less).

This post was not to brag, but possibly for anyone that has a HDR display to try it out if they haven't and give it a comparison side-by-side. I haven't really seen many articles or discussions talking about HDR vs. non-HDR in the game. Remember however that you won't notice much of a difference in SDR->HDR if your display can't bring up peak brightness past 400nits, let alone should be at 1,000 nit peak brightness; if it's mastered at that.

For comparison or if anyone is wondering what I'm playing the game on it is a Samsung CRG9 49" ultrawide. Currently I've been playing the game at 5120x1440 and dropped down to 100hz so I can use 10-bit color.

I've played a decent amount of games in HDR and so far most of them are subtle to say the least. This one brings it up a notch. I can only imagine seeing this game on an LG OLED TV, would be beautiful.
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Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 3:56pm 
My main computer gaming display is a 32" freesync 4k 120hz HDR600 model, and yes, HDR is fantastic. I have to use it in 60hz mode to get the 10bit color, HDR, and 4K. (but thats fine, since my video card is running between 30 and 60 anyway with those settings)

Im sure the HDR would look better on my LG OLED, but, thats in the other room. I might try using steam link to stream it out there at some point, but i dunno if it can handle that kind of detail streaming over my wifi.

My only complaint, which was kind of amazing in a way, was around 3am game time in the badlands, it got so dark i truly could not see ANYTHING except the distant city lights. It looked amazing, but was a pain in the behind to actually play. The same basic problem happens from time to time depending on where you are, but, because of how good it makes the game look overall, i accept that in the few spots where it makes it hard to see. Besides, its probably realistic when that happens anyway.

I've told all my friends, the most important video feature for this game is the HDR, and if they dont have a monitor with it, they need to look into it, because that alone is the game changer in visual fidelity here. Ray tracing is certainly sweet, but HDR is better. (especially since it seems to come with basically no performance hit, unlike Ray Tracing does right now.)
Warsaw Jan 7, 2021 @ 5:28pm 
I wouldn't use a steamlink on the LG, I'd just get a longer HDMI 2.1 cable and run it that way. Steamlink only goes up to 1080p 60hz and I'm not sure it'd have the bandwidth you'd need for HDR, plus it compresses the image as is already.

Mexico, I'm jealous that sounds like a great experience. I've left my settings mostly standard at the 1000 brightness, 200 paper, and 2.0 for the other setting. My monitor brightness is at 100, but usually it's toned down when I have to enable the windows HDR setting.
Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 6:08pm 
Originally posted by Warsaw:
I wouldn't use a steamlink on the LG, I'd just get a longer HDMI 2.1 cable and run it that way. Steamlink only goes up to 1080p 60hz and I'm not sure it'd have the bandwidth you'd need for HDR, plus it compresses the image as is already.

Hmm, yeah, i feared as much. see, the issue is my gaming computer is in my office, my LG OLED TV is in my home theater / living space. I'd have to lug the whole PC over... doubt i'll go through that effort, considering how nestled into place both my home office and home theater spaces already are. Might be able to finagle a spare PC in there, but, i don't think an RX 580 can handle the resolution at that point.

Frankly i bet it still looks better at 1080p 60hz and HDR than most games would at higher resolutions.
Warsaw Jan 7, 2021 @ 6:45pm 
How far apart is your office and home theater room?

I agree, most definitely would look better at 1080p 60hz HDR than most games.
Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:01pm 
Originally posted by Warsaw:
How far apart is your office and home theater room?

It's basically on the other side of the house. down a hall, past the top of a staircase.

Would be about 75 feet not including drop down, drop up, and nice tucking to keep it somewhat out of the way and less likely to trip over. (though still not completely out of the way, it would be running across two room floors right in the center that way, if i wanted to run it along the wall the get it fully out of the way, we're talking twice that length.)

A quick look on monoprice has my only real option as a 100 ft cable, which go for around $70-80. I suppose i COULD do that, but if im spending that much, i would like a neater more permanent solution, and they dont have them long enough for me to properly wire it. (even if i went up into a ceiling to do it.) Then i'd also have to spend another $30 or so on USB to cat6 adapters to run my mouse and keyboard, unless i find a real good wireless option - which, considering im a snob and like mechanical keyboards, probably wouldnt be cheap, lol.

You wanna pony up the money for the experiment and come out to my place in NJ, I'm down, lol.
Salamand3r- Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:02pm 
Originally posted by Gumpo:
Originally posted by Warsaw:
I wouldn't use a steamlink on the LG, I'd just get a longer HDMI 2.1 cable and run it that way. Steamlink only goes up to 1080p 60hz and I'm not sure it'd have the bandwidth you'd need for HDR, plus it compresses the image as is already.

Hmm, yeah, i feared as much. see, the issue is my gaming computer is in my office, my LG OLED TV is in my home theater / living space. I'd have to lug the whole PC over... doubt i'll go through that effort, considering how nestled into place both my home office and home theater spaces already are. Might be able to finagle a spare PC in there, but, i don't think an RX 580 can handle the resolution at that point.

Frankly i bet it still looks better at 1080p 60hz and HDR than most games would at higher resolutions.

You can stream to the spare PC the same way you would stream to the SteamLink, Steam supports that now.

It should support anything up to 4k and (I believe) 120Hz with no load in the second PC. I actually haven't tested if HDR gets passed through.

You could also use the SteamLink app on a decent AndroidTV box, that also does 4k streaming although it *may* be limited to 60Hz on some devices.
Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:08pm 
Originally posted by Salamand3r-:
You can stream to the spare PC the same way you would stream to the SteamLink, Steam supports that now.

It should support anything up to 4k and (I believe) 120Hz with no load in the second PC. I actually haven't tested if HDR gets passed through.

You could also use the SteamLink app on a decent AndroidTV box, that also does 4k streaming although it *may* be limited to 60Hz on some devices.

I've got both an official steam link device, and an nVidia Shield TV that I could steam link to. the Shield definitely knows how to do 4k and HDR, I just have no idea if the signal compression along the way will lose something. Maybe i'll try it out later and report back. I've definitely streamed other games at 1440p and 4k to it, but nothing with HDR yet.
Salamand3r- Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:19pm 
Originally posted by Gumpo:
Originally posted by Salamand3r-:
You can stream to the spare PC the same way you would stream to the SteamLink, Steam supports that now.

It should support anything up to 4k and (I believe) 120Hz with no load in the second PC. I actually haven't tested if HDR gets passed through.

You could also use the SteamLink app on a decent AndroidTV box, that also does 4k streaming although it *may* be limited to 60Hz on some devices.

I've got both an official steam link device, and an nVidia Shield TV that I could steam link to. the Shield definitely knows how to do 4k and HDR, I just have no idea if the signal compression along the way will lose something. Maybe i'll try it out later and report back. I've definitely streamed other games at 1440p and 4k to it, but nothing with HDR yet.

Yeah after I wrote that I realized I never actually tested if the app passes the HDR color information.

From what I can see, the Shield won't do HDR using the SteamLink app, however -

https://moonlight-stream.org/

Apparently, that does. Edit: So does Gamestream itself apparently.
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Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:30pm 
Originally posted by Salamand3r-:
From what I can see, the Shield won't do HDR using the SteamLink app, however -

https://moonlight-stream.org/

Apparently, that does. Edit: So does Gamestream itself apparently.

Followed that link all excited, and then my rampant AMD fanboyism ruined my day. My main gaming PC is using a Vega 64, and it looks like since moonlight is using gamestream as the backend, it needs an nVidia GPU to work.

Know of anything that would work for team red? AMD Link looks like an option, but i don't know if it supports HDR, just 4k.
Salamand3r- Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:33pm 
Originally posted by Gumpo:
Originally posted by Salamand3r-:
From what I can see, the Shield won't do HDR using the SteamLink app, however -

https://moonlight-stream.org/

Apparently, that does. Edit: So does Gamestream itself apparently.

Followed that link all excited, and then my rampant AMD fanboyism ruined my day. My main gaming PC is using a Vega 64, and it looks like since moonlight is using gamestream as the backend, it needs an nVidia GPU to work.

Know of anything that would work for team red? AMD Link looks like an option, but i don't know if it supports HDR, just 4k.

Ooof, sorry I assumed with the Shield you were nVidia-centric :D

It doesn't look like AMD Link supports HDR.

For now it looks like you might be stuck with the "100ft HDMI cable" craziness :/
Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 7:39pm 
Originally posted by Salamand3r-:
Ooof, sorry I assumed with the Shield you were nVidia-centric :D

It doesn't look like AMD Link supports HDR.

For now it looks like you might be stuck with the "100ft HDMI cable" craziness :/

hahaha, a reasonable assumption. Most PC gamers are nvidia skewed these days anyway, and owning a Shield TV would certainly seem to show i'm team green... I'm actually not even really an AMD fanboy, i just got upset with several Intel and nVidia practices, which shifted me to purchasing pretty much exclusively from AMD the past few years. Its not so much that i like AMD, i just don't like the other guys... and it's not like i can buy a Cyrix processor and S3 graphics card these days.

I wouldn't ever have bought the Shield TV for myself, it was actually a gift, so I have no problem using it. Its quite nice actually - like a Roku, but a little bit better most of the time, with slightly more random issues that makes it not very mass market friendly.

I think the best option if i really want to experience this on that TV is to simply hook up the spare PC out there, with steam on it, enable HDR and then stream from one PC to the other. the long cable options just seems too clunky. Especially considering i think the experience is great over here at my computer desk anyway.
Warsaw Jan 7, 2021 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by Gumpo:
Originally posted by Warsaw:
How far apart is your office and home theater room?

It's basically on the other side of the house. down a hall, past the top of a staircase.

Would be about 75 feet not including drop down, drop up, and nice tucking to keep it somewhat out of the way and less likely to trip over. (though still not completely out of the way, it would be running across two room floors right in the center that way, if i wanted to run it along the wall the get it fully out of the way, we're talking twice that length.)

A quick look on monoprice has my only real option as a 100 ft cable, which go for around $70-80. I suppose i COULD do that, but if im spending that much, i would like a neater more permanent solution, and they dont have them long enough for me to properly wire it. (even if i went up into a ceiling to do it.) Then i'd also have to spend another $30 or so on USB to cat6 adapters to run my mouse and keyboard, unless i find a real good wireless option - which, considering im a snob and like mechanical keyboards, probably wouldnt be cheap, lol.

You wanna pony up the money for the experiment and come out to my place in NJ, I'm down, lol.
Ahh, a little on the farther side then haha. I suppose you have a more limited circumstance in wiring that bad boy up or as you were saying earlier on building another PC for it. I'd definitely be inclined to do so, but at the same time I wouldn't want to play CP at lower settings if I don't put in enough juice for the rig to right it how I'd like.

I've run 50 ft cabling, but 100ft is pushing it. I would be in the same boat as you and probably run the adapters through the wall for the USB ports as well since you'd need some really decent wireless options at that range. I actually love having a wireless mouse and have for a number of years now, but I haven't found a wireless keyboard that gives me the same feeling. Currently using the Razer Blackwidow, as I like the mechanical feel of it, I also want to get a quieter keyboard that I don't always sound like I'm a furious madman while typing.

I would agree with that last option of streaming from another PC through Steam. I've done it before on my laptop and tablet and it works surprisingly well. Though through my wireless signal, even with a good one still provided a slight delay, but shouldn't get much at all with a wired connection. I'm curious about the HDR detection with Steam link through another computer, I haven't attempted that.
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Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 8:39pm 
Yeah, it seems like right now the best option to try it out is using steam to steam streaming... boy that feels like a tongue twister... using my main gaming pc in the office as the source, and dropping my old 6 year old gaming pc out by the TV as the receiver for it, hooking up the mouse and keyboard there.

I do know Logitech makes a nice wireless mechanical keyboard, but the wireless options are a lot less than wired ones.



Originally posted by Warsaw:
Currently using the Razer Blackwidow, as I like the mechanical feel of it, I also want to get a quieter keyboard that I don't always sound like I'm a furious madman while typing.

Hahaha... My friend had one of those, and at one LAN party, after dealing with him using it the last time, half the people who showed up brought spare Cherry MX Brown / red options for him to use so we didn't all have to wear earplugs.

If you want a very nice feeling and actually very quiet keyboard, you might want to look into one with Matias Quiet Click switches. Not a lot to choose from, but they sound like a membrane keyboard, but feel wonderful. A lot quieter than most mechanical boards with Cherry MX stems using the silencer o-rings.
Only downside is the actuation force is a bit high, which makes playing games on it a bit worse. Always a trade off.

But then, i've used like a hundred mech keyboards at this point, and there are so many possible options... all with pros and cons... all really depends on your preferences. Just remember if quiet is the important thing, not to do cherry mx blue or their clones, and to try to stay away from surface mount keyboards (ones that you can see the switch if you look at the keyboard straight on from the side - if the keys depress into the board, that helps deaden the sound. Also, on cherry mx compatible boards, buying o-rings to stop you from slapping the keycap all the way to the PCB underneath as well. Too bad those don't help to silence inherently clicky switches like that razer has. Good hunting!
Warsaw Jan 7, 2021 @ 9:39pm 
Originally posted by Gumpo:
Yeah, it seems like right now the best option to try it out is using steam to steam streaming... boy that feels like a tongue twister... using my main gaming pc in the office as the source, and dropping my old 6 year old gaming pc out by the TV as the receiver for it, hooking up the mouse and keyboard there.

I do know Logitech makes a nice wireless mechanical keyboard, but the wireless options are a lot less than wired ones.



Originally posted by Warsaw:
Currently using the Razer Blackwidow, as I like the mechanical feel of it, I also want to get a quieter keyboard that I don't always sound like I'm a furious madman while typing.

Hahaha... My friend had one of those, and at one LAN party, after dealing with him using it the last time, half the people who showed up brought spare Cherry MX Brown / red options for him to use so we didn't all have to wear earplugs.

If you want a very nice feeling and actually very quiet keyboard, you might want to look into one with Matias Quiet Click switches. Not a lot to choose from, but they sound like a membrane keyboard, but feel wonderful. A lot quieter than most mechanical boards with Cherry MX stems using the silencer o-rings.
Only downside is the actuation force is a bit high, which makes playing games on it a bit worse. Always a trade off.

But then, i've used like a hundred mech keyboards at this point, and there are so many possible options... all with pros and cons... all really depends on your preferences. Just remember if quiet is the important thing, not to do cherry mx blue or their clones, and to try to stay away from surface mount keyboards (ones that you can see the switch if you look at the keyboard straight on from the side - if the keys depress into the board, that helps deaden the sound. Also, on cherry mx compatible boards, buying o-rings to stop you from slapping the keycap all the way to the PCB underneath as well. Too bad those don't help to silence inherently clicky switches like that razer has. Good hunting!
Haha, I don't blame you guys on getting switches for your buddy. Even when it's just myself I try to zone out while I'm typing so I don't notice it as much but I start to hear it after awhile.

I'll have to check out those Matias switches as that's probably something along the lines of what I want. It's always hard for me to pick out a keyboard because I do like the RGB effects as well as the key presses are a big thing for me. Do you know if the keyboards with those switches are at any brick and mortar places like Best Buy? Probably would like to try out the typing on it before taking the plunge as I hatteeee returning items and that process.
Gumpo Jan 7, 2021 @ 9:57pm 
Originally posted by Warsaw:
I'll have to check out those Matias switches as that's probably something along the lines of what I want. It's always hard for me to pick out a keyboard because I do like the RGB effects as well as the key presses are a big thing for me. Do you know if the keyboards with those switches are at any brick and mortar places like Best Buy? Probably would like to try out the typing on it before taking the plunge as I hatteeee returning items and that process.

Unfortunately, they are really hard to find. Not even for sale on most reputable pc parts sites like newegg, tiger, b&h, etc. or in even microcenter or fry's. They also seem to be going out of style and several of that companies products look discontinued, so, now its even harder.

If you like RGB though, they definitely aren't for you - nothing at all in that regard. the switch is based on an old ALPS design that came out like 40 years ago, before anyone accounted for RGB, so the housing just can't accomodate it. Similarly, the way they rubberized things to silence it probably would mess up RGB lighting too.

The only place i know that sells more than a couple models is over at https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=86
not sure if they have a good return policy or not.

I'd probably say based on what you've just added in regards to liking RGB, you might want to look over at https://www.pcgamingrace.com/collections/keyboard
and try out a model with their panda switches and silencer o-rings. it won't be as quiet as the matias quiet click switches, but its got weighting that feels good for gaming too, and plenty of RGB options as well. And if you end up not liking the switches, the keyboard is modular, so you can order a different type and experiment.
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