idk why people say this isn't an RPG

[>//The_FALCON]

You are LITERALLY playing V, an existing character in an existing world. You aren't V, so by playing the game as V, you are ROLE PLAYING in this GAME, making it a ROLE PLAYING GAME.

Get it? no? then get out!

[The flash and thunder.]

Publicado originalmente por 𝚉𝚒𝚛𝚊𝚎𝚕:

There are loooads of choices. Choices that have an impact on events further down the road. You, as a player get to choose the ones you like. That's called role playing. RPG stands for Role Playing Game. There ya have it.

Also, if this isn't an RPG, how come Witcher 3 is considered one of the best RPG:s since its game elements are pretty much the same?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhbY8hAWVmA

[NomadTR]

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[Orion Invictus]

Publicado originalmente por ✞ Spooky Jack ✞:

This generation of gamers has a completely wrong and confused idea of what an RPG really is, so game companies take advantage of creating non-RPG games and tagging them with RPGs.
This new generation MUST play Vampire Bloodlines to know what a real RPG really is, where the choices of the dialogues become totally relevant in the course of the game's history.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2600/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Bloodlines/

Why would I play abandonware that I'd need to install a community-made patch for it to even be playable? I'll wait for the sequel, thanks.
PS: Maybe the problem is that your generation (or "our", I should say) is too used to being "the chosen one" and the power fantasy that comes along with it, so when a more mature and realistic game comes along, where you, as an individual, can't completely change the fate of an entire world, everyone loses their minds.

[Punished Rusty Shackleford]

In the loosest terms it's an RPG. typically, table top games were the seminal RPG and that set the standard of what an RPG is. Now many of the features have been stripped to make it easier for casual fans to enjoy RPGs. This game is a casual RPG if anything.

[Ceilingcat]

Hi. The genre of RPG has many different subgenres. Stop gatekeeping the definition and accept that this is an action shooter RPG just like deus ex.
It has a progression tree and core stats.
It has multiple choice missions.
It has character customization and gear with stats.
Diablo is a hack and slash looter RPG
Borderlands is a looter shooter RPG lite
Jagged Alliance is a tactical rpg.

This is what happens when you make hybrid games.
Instead of whining and fighting about the definition, make constructive posts and tell us what you would like added to the game without sounding like a kid.

[Dayve]

The problem is that there's no concrete definition of what an RPG actually is. We all have a vague idea of what an RPG is but all those ideas are different and many are contradictory.

By the OP's definition, Pong was a RPG. You're playing the role of a ping-pong player.

[Fusei]

Mostly come from CDPR changing their twitter account description for CP sometime before launch. Went from RPG to action-adventure.

TBF, with today's standards I'd say it's a borderline RPG. With standards from 20 years ago there's no way it could be remotely considered RPG.
Guess it comes down to "when you come from" :p

[Aria Athena]

If you don't know why, then you should get out. You shouldn't involve yourself in an argument when you have no clue what the other side is talking about.

[Caz]

CP2077 is not an RPG. It's an action-shooter with RPG elements.

When people say something is an RPG, they're considering RPG as the primary genre of that title. Having RPG elements does not make a game an RPG. Madden 2020 has RPG elements, I don't think you'll find anyone who seriously categorizes it as an RPG.

But people on this forum are watering down what it means to be an RPG to the point where Pong would qualify as an RPG.

[キーヴァ]

What's a good example of a real RPG then? Also please tell why and what the differences are.

[Punished Rusty Shackleford]

Publicado originalmente por Caz:

CP2077 is not an RPG. It's an action-shooter with RPG elements.

When people say something is an RPG, they're considering RPG as the primary genre of that title. Having RPG elements does not make a game an RPG. Madden 2020 has RPG elements, I don't think you'll find anyone who seriously categorizes it as an RPG.

But people on this forum are watering down what it means to be an RPG to the point where Pong would qualify as an RPG.

i saw a pic somehwere of the game's own twitter account change the bio of the game from "RPG" to "action adventure" in may of 2019

[The flash and thunder.]

Publicado originalmente por 𝚉𝚒𝚛𝚊𝚎𝚕:

What's a good example of a real RPG then? Also please tell why and what the differences are.

skyrim or fo nv/3

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Publicado originalmente por Fusei:

Mostly come from CDPR changing their twitter account description for CP sometime before launch. Went from RPG to action-adventure.

TBF, with today's standards I'd say it's a borderline RPG. With standards from 20 years ago there's no way it could be remotely considered RPG.
Guess it comes down to "when you come from" :p

My father did TTRPGs back in the 1980ies. For him TTRPGs were just running into dungeons, killing monsters, collecting loot and levelling up. No thought wasted on story etc. Story was just there to justify the next tour to the next dungeon. And that was quite common back then.
Nowadays you have all kinds of TTRPGs. From Story driven to dungeon runs, from heavy rulesets, to almost no rules.
in Short, even in TTRPGs you can't find consensus on what is required for RPG, it all depends on the players. There even are systems, that don't need a DM/GM
So how is anyone expecting any definitive standards for Computer RPGs?
What makes a RPG a RPG is if people actually Role Play. There simply is no golden definition for RPG and no Authority that can set standards what is and isn't an RPG.
In the end everyone has to decide that for themself, same as I have to decide wether or not a dungeon romp or a story based D&D session is the one I enjoy playing.

[キーヴァ]

Personally when I'm playing the game I'm constantly thinking through each quest. Like "What would V/ Johnny do/say?". Now I'll be honest I haven't had payed many "real" RPG:s but if that isn't role playing then we might as well just ditch the word because it doesn't have much meaning seeing as everyone has very different views on what constitutes as one.

[Caz]

Publicado originalmente por JS14:

Publicado originalmente por 𝚉𝚒𝚛𝚊𝚎𝚕:

What's a good example of a real RPG then? Also please tell why and what the differences are.

skyrim or fo nv/3

I know a lot of people on this forum will simply dismiss these "cuz bethesda".

Mass Effect Trilogy
TES and FO
Dragon Age
Divinity Original Sin
Pillars of Eternity
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines

CP2077 tries to do too much and spreads itself thin. It doesn't do any one thing well.