So... I think Misty is a boring character

[Rage&Riches]

If she is a character at all, felt like the lady had little to no identity apart from being "Jackie's girlfriend" and the game really attempts to have us sympathize?

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Oh man, I was pretty cold about Jackie's funeral! I sympathize for Mama Welles though. Just generally I think Jackie was a little bit too wide-eyed and unrealistic about his expectations of the world. He's a good person though, so I definitely mourned him just... from a distance. And conversely, that's what I like about Vik and Judy (some of my favorite characters), they know the world, they will try to do little things to improve it, but there's no grandiose expectation that it's going to change.

Yeah, that's how I read Jackie, especially when he's sounding off in the taxi. But there's a fragment of dialogue (which doesn't always play fully cos taxi arrives) where he talks about wanting to get out. And then at the funeral you realise how he's been trying to get out since childhood. Spoilering this bit With the abusive father, and keeping the belt as a reminder as well as to take it to his father should he ever return. And then For Whom the Bell Tolls is hardly a fantasist's read, and if you choose the book V will read from it. Kind of made me much more sympathetic to him as a person. Especially that he still retains a core of generosity for those close to him.

One of the things about Judy I really love, and Evelyn stands out for it too, is that her body language is absolutely perfect and carries so much meaning beyond the actual dialogue. I hid away from spoilers for the first week but didn't surprise me that Judy was everyone's favourite.

Oh my god (sorry if I'm deviating from the topic a little bit) I LOVE LOVE LOVE Evelyn. She was such a compelling character and she legitimately... man made me feel things, I think I cried as the storyline progressed. But I'd really chalk this up to what arcs are compelling. I love Panam, Judy, and Ev the most probably.

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Oh my god (sorry if I'm deviating from the topic a little bit) I LOVE LOVE LOVE Evelyn. She was such a compelling character and she legitimately... man made me feel things, I think I cried as the storyline progressed. But I'd really chalk this up to what arcs are compelling. I love Panam, Judy, and Ev the most probably.

It does link back to the thread in a way, because I think one of Misty's 'boring' problems is that she's always just there in front of you looking like a cross between Pris and a half drowned panda. (Mostly true.) There's not the sense of eg Evelyn's nerves showing as she chain smokes and paces about. And you get to see Judy in all sorts of different locations and places and it lets the animators have something to work with beyond someone peering out from beneath a fringe. Agree with you about some arcs being much more developed and compelling than others too.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Oh my god (sorry if I'm deviating from the topic a little bit) I LOVE LOVE LOVE Evelyn. She was such a compelling character and she legitimately... man made me feel things, I think I cried as the storyline progressed. But I'd really chalk this up to what arcs are compelling. I love Panam, Judy, and Ev the most probably.

It does link back to the thread in a way, because I think one of Misty's 'boring' problems is that she's always just there in front of you looking like a cross between Pris and a half drowned panda. (Mostly true.) There's not the sense of eg Evelyn's nerves showing as she chain smokes and paces about. And you get to see Judy in all sorts of different locations and places and it lets the animators have something to work with beyond someone peering out from beneath a fringe. Agree with you about some arcs being much more developed and compelling than others too.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense. There's more of an effort to visualize and therefore actualize characteristics from extremely compelling characters, and of course, I'm going to admit that my preference leads me to be a little bit more biased since I very strong-willed and cunning characters? Granted, Panam can be a little... excited, brave, and stupid sometimes but she is intelligent.

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Actually, that makes a lot of sense. There's more of an effort to visualize and therefore actualize characteristics from extremely compelling characters, and of course, I'm going to admit that my preference leads me to be a little bit more biased since I very strong-willed and cunning characters? Granted, Panam can be a little... excited, brave, and stupid sometimes but she is intelligent.

Think you can know everything there is to know about a subtly written character and still think they're a waste of time, to be fair. ;) Panam I'll pass on until I get round to doing a male V run to the end to see her full character. Only reason I really tried to place Misty as a character is that she's one of the few you meet who have a sense of spirituality and I find that an interesting thread to how the whole setting has been done.

[fox]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

One of the things about Judy I really love, and Evelyn stands out for it too, is that her body language is absolutely perfect and carries so much meaning beyond the actual dialogue. I hid away from spoilers for the first week but didn't surprise me that Judy was everyone's favourite.

But she's not everyone's favorite... not even close. You are mistaking lust with preference.

[AdahnGorion]

Misty blow me away tbh
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2330719600

She is rather unique and complex.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by fox:

Originally posted by Zebedee:

One of the things about Judy I really love, and Evelyn stands out for it too, is that her body language is absolutely perfect and carries so much meaning beyond the actual dialogue. I hid away from spoilers for the first week but didn't surprise me that Judy was everyone's favourite.

But she's not everyone's favorite... not even close. You are mistaking lust with preference.

Hmm I wouldn't go as far to automatically equate the general preference for lust. Some players sure but I'd hate to generalize, given that personally, I have such a huge crush on Panam but feel like Judy is just a far emotionally deeper person. I would say she's popular though

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by fox:

But she's not everyone's favorite... not even close. You are mistaking lust with preference.

I'd have talked about Panam's backside if I had. I did make the mistake of typing a loose generalisation on the Steam forums expecting people to recognise it for being one though.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Actually, that makes a lot of sense. There's more of an effort to visualize and therefore actualize characteristics from extremely compelling characters, and of course, I'm going to admit that my preference leads me to be a little bit more biased since I very strong-willed and cunning characters? Granted, Panam can be a little... excited, brave, and stupid sometimes but she is intelligent.

Think you can know everything there is to know about a subtly written character and still think they're a waste of time, to be fair. ;) Panam I'll pass on until I get round to doing a male V run to the end to see her full character. Only reason I really tried to place Misty as a character is that she's one of the few you meet who have a sense of spirituality and I find that an interesting thread to how the whole setting has been done.

that's true, definitely. I think the subtle characters with very different personalities is what I respect so much about CP. Game's not making you try to like everyone. HECK I hate Johnny Silverhand so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much. But they try to craft them pretty deeply, and I'm talking about Jackie since I'm still a little firm that they need to make us understand Misty more. There's potential in the mystic side but I feel that it's never really fully explored beyond the basic explanation? And I talked to a friend who plays this who does deal with Tarot and he found her thing easier to understand cause he knows the jargon and all that jazz

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

that's true, definitely. I think the subtle characters with very different personalities is what I respect so much about CP. Game's not making you try to like everyone. HECK I hate Johnny Silverhand so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much. But they try to craft them pretty deeply, and I'm talking about Jackie since I'm still a little firm that they need to make us understand Misty more. There's potential in the mystic side but I feel that it's never really fully explored beyond the basic explanation? And I talked to a friend who plays this who does deal with Tarot and he found her thing easier to understand cause he knows the jargon and all that jazz

Beyond the broad theme of spirituality in the city, I've not found anything more (ingame lore) about the tarot. Cos it's a curious thing in itself that V is seeing images of cards that s/he chose to help Jackie pick a perfect present for Misty and it feels like there's something missing to it. Especially where the final two cards appear.. There's probably something longer to be written about Buddhism, Christianity, Voodoo, and occult within Night City. But I'm still bumping into things I'd not seen/read/found before nearly 200 hours in...

With you on Johnny. My first run through he annoyed me to bits. And on my second I warmed a bit more to him because I took it slower and started to get more of the dialogue with him and also the order I was doing quests seemed to make for a more reasonable arc to how he changes over time.

Do think you are right that some hooks for some characters aren't done as well as for others. And Misty is one of them. It took me time to realise that she's the one offering V a way to speed up her 'exit' from Night City even if it comes with what initially sound like platitudes.

[Natius]

i feel there is should be mission or (should call it as Act 1 when the actualy Act 1 is Act 2)
there are so many gap (obviously cut content i think) just cut into montage
So wasted

[FUUKamikazeFUU]

Think the same, much potential wasted in this character.

[Dondu]

yes, when you see this kind of people irl they are boring...now tell if you got a friend who believe in mysticism, youll be like "df*ck"

[talemore]

She's a side character

[JerBeware]

Originally posted by Caz:

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

She really is! I skipped a lot of dialogue lines with her on the second playthrough. She feels as though, she doesn't have a lot of inner personality and it seems as if the game thought this can be co-opted by the fact that she's into mysticism? IMO that's some basic b*ch sh**

I didn't know how to put it into words, but this pretty much sums it up.

Somewhat. I felt like she was supposed to have a greater role/more story involved with her, but it didn't make the cut - but that's just how it felt to me.