So... I think Misty is a boring character

[Rage&Riches]

If she is a character at all, felt like the lady had little to no identity apart from being "Jackie's girlfriend" and the game really attempts to have us sympathize?

[shado]

all we have after 6 months prologue are her damn tarot cards, shame.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Shadowi:

all we have after 6 months prologue are her damn tarot cards, shame.

That doesn't at all impact the story LMAO

[Mansen]

She's not really intended to be a prominent side character - at all.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Mansen:

She's not really intended to be a prominent side character - at all.

Yeah, honestly I'm just musing about how some side-characters with lesser screentime has more of an identity than Misty. So whenever she's on-screen for an important, inescapable moment, it doesn't feel to me as if she's earned it

[Zoid13]

yeh doing a video montage of your time with jackie instead of fleshed out quests and developing all the relative characters would have been a much nicer option to get you involved with them more.

[Zebedee]

A former drug addict who turns to spirituality and opens a shop to the occult in 'the city the gods have forsaken'. She's a nice vignette of someone who no longer fits into Night City, as she recognises herself. There's an awful lot of subtle character development in what characters say, have said about them, and across multiple arcs and play throughs.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

A former drug addict who turns to spirituality and opens a shop to the occult in 'the city the gods have forsaken'. She's a nice vignette of someone who no longer fits into Night City, as she recognises herself. There's an awful lot of subtle character development in what characters say, have said about them, and across multiple arcs and play throughs.

Hmm... I didn't really detect that in the game, and this one is bordering on what I personally find compelling. I feel like brush-off statements did not exactly make me feel for Misty, especially that these developments don't feel as if they surface in her dialogue

[Caz]

I found her to be very cringe.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Caz:

I found her to be very cringe.

She really is! I skipped a lot of dialogue lines with her on the second playthrough. She feels as though, she doesn't have a lot of inner personality and it seems as if the game thought this can be co-opted by the fact that she's into mysticism? IMO that's some basic b*ch sh**

[Caz]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Originally posted by Caz:

I found her to be very cringe.

She really is! I skipped a lot of dialogue lines with her on the second playthrough. She feels as though, she doesn't have a lot of inner personality and it seems as if the game thought this can be co-opted by the fact that she's into mysticism? IMO that's some basic b*ch sh**

I didn't know how to put it into words, but this pretty much sums it up.

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Hmm... I didn't really detect that in the game, and this one is bordering on what I personally find compelling. I feel like brush-off statements did not exactly make me feel for Misty, especially that these developments don't feel as if they surface in her dialogue

Some of what I wrote there is in Jackie's dialogue and would be easy to miss one particular reference, most of it is in her's across multiple quests when you come into contact with her. I can totally get where people just aren't seeing it, and I also am in awe of the writers in being brave enough not to do the 'this is me' dialogue with significant NPCs and leave it for you to piece together. My first play through I thought she was a sappy idiot until she started blasting me for dishonouring Jackie's memory. Lot to this game when you dig for it. Not to say you're any more likely to have time for her. ;)

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Hmm... I didn't really detect that in the game, and this one is bordering on what I personally find compelling. I feel like brush-off statements did not exactly make me feel for Misty, especially that these developments don't feel as if they surface in her dialogue

Some of what I wrote there is in Jackie's dialogue and would be easy to miss one particular reference, most of it is in her's across multiple quests when you come into contact with her. I can totally get where people just aren't seeing it, and I also am in awe of the writers in being brave enough not to do the 'this is me' dialogue with significant NPCs and leave it for you to piece together. My first play through I thought she was a sappy idiot until she started blasting me for dishonouring Jackie's memory. Lot to this game when you dig for it. Not to say you're any more likely to have time for her. ;)

That's very fair, and TO BE fair - I wasn't as fond of Jackie as a lot of people are; I mean he is an admirable and loyal friend I just thought he was kind of naive so I responded to him very coldly in the game. So that probably locked me out of that story. So having Misty kind of be Jackie's Girlfriend(TM) still didn't work for me as I am not as mournful of Jackie (like, I like the dude, I personally wouldn't be that close to that dude).

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

That's very fair, and TO BE fair - I wasn't as fond of Jackie as a lot of people are; I mean he is an admirable and loyal friend I just thought he was kind of naive so I responded to him very coldly in the game. So that probably locked me out of that story. So having Misty kind of be Jackie's Girlfriend(TM) still didn't work for me as I am not as mournful of Jackie (like, I like the dude, I personally wouldn't be that close to that dude).

How did you feel about doing Jackie's funeral? I'm guessing it left you cold if you didn't have any sense of particularly liking Jackie? I had similar thoughts about Jackie in my first play through. Sometimes it's like a jigsaw puzzle for me though - someone's comments a few hours before will suddenly make sense when placed with dialogue or a file/shard. About the only one who doesn't have that, of the NPCs V spends a great deal of time with anyway, is Viktor. He is exactly what he seems to be. And he's about the most zen character in the game away from Buddhist monks.

[Rage&Riches]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

That's very fair, and TO BE fair - I wasn't as fond of Jackie as a lot of people are; I mean he is an admirable and loyal friend I just thought he was kind of naive so I responded to him very coldly in the game. So that probably locked me out of that story. So having Misty kind of be Jackie's Girlfriend(TM) still didn't work for me as I am not as mournful of Jackie (like, I like the dude, I personally wouldn't be that close to that dude).

How did you feel about doing Jackie's funeral? I'm guessing it left you cold if you didn't have any sense of particularly liking Jackie? I had similar thoughts about Jackie in my first play through. Sometimes it's like a jigsaw puzzle for me though - someone's comments a few hours before will suddenly make sense when placed with dialogue or a file/shard. About the only one who doesn't have that, of the NPCs V spends a great deal of time with anyway, is Viktor. He is exactly what he seems to be. And he's about the most zen character in the game away from Buddhist monks.

Oh man, I was pretty cold about Jackie's funeral! I sympathize for Mama Welles though. Just generally I think Jackie was a little bit too wide-eyed and unrealistic about his expectations of the world. He's a good person though, so I definitely mourned him just... from a distance. And conversely, that's what I like about Vik and Judy (some of my favorite characters), they know the world, they will try to do little things to improve it, but there's no grandiose expectation that it's going to change or just instantly reward them. I feel like Jackie's philosophy of "big-time gig" brushes off like the barriers of how hard it is to really make it in Night City

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Rage&Riches:

Oh man, I was pretty cold about Jackie's funeral! I sympathize for Mama Welles though. Just generally I think Jackie was a little bit too wide-eyed and unrealistic about his expectations of the world. He's a good person though, so I definitely mourned him just... from a distance. And conversely, that's what I like about Vik and Judy (some of my favorite characters), they know the world, they will try to do little things to improve it, but there's no grandiose expectation that it's going to change.

Yeah, that's how I read Jackie, especially when he's sounding off in the taxi. But there's a fragment of dialogue (which doesn't always play fully cos taxi arrives) where he talks about wanting to get out. And then at the funeral you realise how he's been trying to get out since childhood. Spoilering this bit With the abusive father, and keeping the belt as a reminder as well as to take it to his father should he ever return. And then For Whom the Bell Tolls is hardly a fantasist's read, and if you choose the book V will read from it. Kind of made me much more sympathetic to him as a person. Especially that he still retains a core of generosity for those close to him.

One of the things about Judy I really love, and Evelyn stands out for it too, is that her body language is absolutely perfect and carries so much meaning beyond the actual dialogue. I hid away from spoilers for the first week but didn't surprise me that Judy was everyone's favourite.