Immersion

[devodos]

I want to start by saying, I love the story and setting in this game. I was (and I do not know why this surprised me) pretty Immersed throughout. So much so that I started to go to all of the bars to buy a drink. However, I noticed this is as far as you get in a bar. You cannot (unless I am stupid and did not look hard enough in which case disregard this) sit down, drink (animation) and take in the mindless chit chat. I really liked all the scenes in the game where you had the option to drink but this was just locked to story / side quests. (More specifically, the cafe where you go with Kerry to get 'the best' coffee, was decent).

To my point, I think they could go even further with the immersion at some point to perhaps further aid in roleplay. Maybe I am going too far but when you have a city this big and active...

Thoughts on this? Were you immersed? Is there enough roleplay? Anything they could add or just leave it as is?

[Markus Reese]

I was immersed in other ways, but not being able to sit at vendors like bars or food suppliers was a detraction.

Bar for example? We got sitting animations, and drinking animations already. Food we have eating animations, but they didnt fit them into play.

So I use the vending machines cause more immersive. Never used a food or drink vendor.

[devodos]

Yeah, forgot about the vending machines. Only used them a couple of times and while they do add slight immersion, they are a very tiny cog IMO.

[Markus Reese]

Originally posted by DeviantOS:

Yeah, forgot about the vending machines. Only used them a couple of times and while they do add slight immersion, they are a very tiny cog IMO.

I use them as my primary way of keeping the food and hydration buff going. Fast and a bit interesting. But are right, a tiny cog.

I would much prefer hitting a food or drink establishment and get something with a longer/better bonus that isnt just a shop that then makes me eat from inventory. FF15 has a fantastic bit of food immersion.

[devodos]

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Originally posted by DeviantOS:

Yeah, forgot about the vending machines. Only used them a couple of times and while they do add slight immersion, they are a very tiny cog IMO.

I use them as my primary way of keeping the food and hydration buff going. Fast and a bit interesting. But are right, a tiny cog.

I would much prefer hitting a food or drink establishment and get something with a longer/better bonus that isnt just a shop that then makes me eat from inventory. FF15 has a fantastic bit of food immersion.

Food is of course one part of this. Something I really love of all these types of big city / big map environments are random events. I thought Fallout (4?) did this well to a certain extent with random gun fights going on in the distance. There is some of that here but would be great if there was even more. Active police chases, Gang invasions, street muggings, robberies.

What a step up that would be…

[Markus Reese]

Oh yeah, for sure. There are some I have come across. I like how you might be doing something, then hear the sound of gunfire echoing. Often it is an actual gunfight.

They are rare, but did come across one of the blue events that was a full on gun battle of police vs gang. It was actually very cool to watch. There is a good ai, just as a player we can break it. The AI vs AI was an awesome battle to watch. I just kept out of it.

[Rord64]

I was immersed at the start, until every little bug here and there eventually wore me down. Death by 1000 cuts.

[devodos]

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Oh yeah, for sure. There are some I have come across. I like how you might be doing something, then hear the sound of gunfire echoing. Often it is an actual gunfight.

They are rare, but did come across one of the blue events that was a full on gun battle of police vs gang. It was actually very cool to watch. There is a good ai, just as a player we can break it. The AI vs AI was an awesome battle to watch. I just kept out of it.

Which just goes to show how great it would be. Bystander watching the world go by.

[devodos]

Originally posted by Rord64:

I was immersed at the start, until every little bug here and there eventually wore me down. Death by 1000 cuts.

Somehow most of the bugs I have encountered have not taken me out of the immersion. Yes, I have had only 1 T-Pose, slight clipping issues and slight audio issues. IMO, if that for me does not hurt my immersion, then the game does a pretty great job of providing it in the first place, no?

[Markus Reese]

Originally posted by DeviantOS:

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Oh yeah, for sure. There are some I have come across. I like how you might be doing something, then hear the sound of gunfire echoing. Often it is an actual gunfight.

They are rare, but did come across one of the blue events that was a full on gun battle of police vs gang. It was actually very cool to watch. There is a good ai, just as a player we can break it. The AI vs AI was an awesome battle to watch. I just kept out of it.

Which just goes to show how great it would be. Bystander watching the world go by.

If you want a prime example of this, going to spoiler, but is a choice early main quest with the Maelstrom Flathead.

For the Act 1, getting the flathead from maelstrom. Talk to Merideth from militech to get credits from her, but clear virus and let em know there was a daemon on it. See how powerful being a third party can be.

[Rord64]

Originally posted by DeviantOS:

Originally posted by Rord64:

I was immersed at the start, until every little bug here and there eventually wore me down. Death by 1000 cuts.

Somehow most of the bugs I have encountered have not taken me out of the immersion. Yes, I have had only 1 T-Pose, slight clipping issues and slight audio issues. IMO, if that for me does not hurt my immersion, then the game does a pretty great job of providing it in the first place, no?

I've had things like roads clipping, perks not working, quests breaking and the like. NPC's disappear when you look away, cops don't function. You probably have a bunch of busted perks right now and just don't realize it.

[Fingeris]

I had to start the second playthrough to get "immersed" enough. Hacking is super-lame here, same minigame over and over...

So I created a godlike Sandevistan build and squeezed everything from the game. It felt especially good during the secret ending.

[devodos]

Originally posted by Rord64:

Originally posted by DeviantOS:

Somehow most of the bugs I have encountered have not taken me out of the immersion. Yes, I have had only 1 T-Pose, slight clipping issues and slight audio issues. IMO, if that for me does not hurt my immersion, then the game does a pretty great job of providing it in the first place, no?

I've had things like roads clipping, perks not working, quests breaking and the like. NPC's disappear when you look away, cops don't function. You probably have a bunch of busted perks right now and just don't realize it.

You are probably correct regarding perks although from an immersion standpoint for me, do not factor in. Now you mention it, NPC's clipping in and out (even on High crowd density) have been a slight problem. Perhaps I tell myself this is fixable in a patch and therefore I can live with it. My post is more focusing on the additions that can be made to the game if possible.

[devodos]

Originally posted by Fingeris:

I had to start the second playthrough to get "immersed" enough. Hacking is super-lame here, same minigame over and over...

So I created a godlike Sandevistan build and squeezed everything from the game. It felt especially good during the secret ending.

Whatever floats your boat. I agree hacking in some cases can feel a tad bit underwhelming but it's fun using the Cyberpsychosis hack to watch AI's beat their own.

[devodos]

Originally posted by twistedmelon:

Originally posted by DeviantOS:

Which just goes to show how great it would be. Bystander watching the world go by.

If you want a prime example of this, going to spoiler, but is a choice early main quest with the Maelstrom Flathead.

For the Act 1, getting the flathead from maelstrom. Talk to Merideth from militech to get credits from her, but clear virus and let em know there was a daemon on it. See how powerful being a third party can be.

Or even on the flip side, letting the virus do it's thing was equally just as rewarding.

[Rord64]

Originally posted by Vulpes Inculta:

Originally posted by Rord64:

I've had things like roads clipping, perks not working, quests breaking and the like. NPC's disappear when you look away, cops don't function. You probably have a bunch of busted perks right now and just don't realize it.

Car and people disappearing are features tho, not bugs, its just how underdeveloped the game is. Bugs are stuff like me just having to reload about 4 or 5 times because even the mission at start "talk to the vik" wouldnt progress, id talk to the guy and it'd keep tell me to talk to him...i just did. Bugs is having to redo the last part of delamains (the cab AI) quest like 5 or 6 times because the cab he wanted me to get in kept exploding, going up in flames, getting other cabs inside it and you couldn't interact with the door like the game wants you to, etc etc.

Really does wear you down, you're not always in the mood to put up with the crap.

I think you just defined bugs and game-breaking bugs here, that's all lol.