CP2077 is an RPG end of story

[unskilled-]

RPG is an old generic term when the only good RPGs that the masses enjoyed was the likes of Final Fantasy on consoles and games like Ultima on the PC.

Going by such a generic term as Role Playing Game, yes CP2077 is a Role Playing Game because you are playing the Role of V, much like you played the role of John Marsten, Abbey, Postal Dude, Shepard, CJ, Franklin/Michael/Trevor and Generic RPG protagonist with little to no backstory and only exists for self-inserts (Every fallout game ever, vampire the masquerade, souls series, borderlands, whatever else you can think of)

Is it a cRPG (computer Role Playing Game) ala Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Pathfinder, or whatever obscure game you can think of that involves party role playing and interactions and the heavy use of text 'n paper mechanics? Not even close.

Is it a JRPG (Japanese Role Playing Game) ala Final Fantasy, Persona, Xenogears, Tales series, Nier series, or whatever else? Again, no.

Is it an action RPG like Mass Effect, Fallout 3+, Dark Souls, Borderlands, Fable series, Gothic series, Amulets and Armor (going really obscure here) or whatever other fun action game with RPG elements? Yes. This does not make it any less of a Role Playing Game because of its emphasis on Action over Dice Rolls or Percentages to Hit.

Out of all the games listed above, you have the exact same player agency when it comes to the story and its conclusion, and even if you go off the wall and name Alpha Protocol people tend to forget you don't change the outcome at all because like every other game out there you are rail-roaded to a final conclusion regardless of your decisions (kill your ex-boss and destroy the company). At best your choices only result in who lives and who dies or some extra text boxes at the end of the game during the credits stating your actions in relation to places you've been to, or people you've slept with.

And even in games where you can become the badguy or evil or whatever, you still do so at the story's pacing and by the decisions the story forces you to make; be good or evil, paragon or renegade, lawful stupid or chaotic stupid, RPJesus or RPSatan. Save someone because you're good or kill someone because you're evil. Prove your holiness or prove how evil you are. Subtly is often tossed out the window because all of the stories follow the generic badguy must die for good to prevail.

Cyberpunk is different because golly gee the baked-in lore that apparently nobody brushed up on despite years of hype and ample time to breath and eat the lore is a rather dark tale about corporations always winning because of their massive resources and control of pretty much everything else in life and is impossible to change and how ultimately whatever the PC does to try and fight corporations has no effect because sadly an ant can't stop a boulder by itself.

The Role Play comes in when you Role Play how you want V to react to their surroundings; or did everybody spoil themselves and not go in blind when dealing with Maelstorm for Dex, or literally everything after that in relation to story missions and outcomes wanting to powergame the best ending and bang every NPC they can?

I get it, they didn't deliver the awesome player choice in the Maelstorm mission for everything else. Still makes CP2077 an RPG, tempertantrums or not.

[Gonzo850]

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[twiggy]

banned lmao

[ZombieHunter]

No it is not an RPG. But does it matter? It is a game. Who gives a crap what it is?

[Ghost]

well they have a reward category for rpg for example

[Prophet360]

OP: 'RPG is an old generic term when the only good RPGs that the masses enjoyed was the likes of Final Fantasy on consoles and games like Ultima on the PC.'

ARE YOU ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ KIDDING!

The RPG predates computers by a lot. Cyberpunk is one of my favorite a Table-Top RPGs.

Dude this game is a lot of things, I am no a CP2077 hater, But RPG is not one. RPGs only recently, have begun to dictate your every move. One of the reason's I love CP as opposed to D&D and what not, is because they DON'T dictate character development.

You decide how to run a Gig. From start to finish it is your show. If you want to sneak in and take them out with a silenced pistol,OK. If you want to setup a sniper position across the street and blow their head off, do that too. Or storm the lobby Matrix style, it is your thing.

2077 doesn't do that. I have not quite finished it yet, but so far it is just a hack and slash. It is no more RPG than Far Cry or Control (though I have been very far in that one).

The term RPG has taken a serious nose dive recently. Just because you get levels does not an RPG make.

[Aria Athena]

Publicado originalmente por ZombieHunter:

No it is not an RPG. But does it matter? It is a game. Who gives a crap what it is?

I care a bit, because I thought it was a deep rpg when I started playing. I was disappointed for a few hours, but I got over it.

[Chuck]

Publicado originalmente por katzenkrimis:

Publicado originalmente por unskilled-:

RPG is an old generic term when the only good RPGs that the masses enjoyed was the likes of Final Fantasy on consoles and games like Ultima on the PC.

Wow, glad this guy got banned. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

He thinks old and generic means Ultima and Final Fantasy on the PC. In other words, he's twenty-something years old. Tops.

Not once did he mention tabletop games like Call of Cthulhu, Pathfinder, D&D, or anything about dice rolling. Games like that are the sole reason we even have a role-playing genre in video games today. And not once has a video game ever been ported properly to replicate any of them.

It will be done someday, though. It'll take a genius and a lot of money to do it. Until then we play the closest thing to them. In 2020 that would be games like Solasta: Crown of the Magister, which is quite good for an unfinished game. Baldur's Gate III, which is quite messy, for an unfinished game. And Wasteland 3, which is much more of a RPG than Cyberpunk will ever be. Not to mention that it was nominated for RPG of the year, something that Cyberpunk will no longer be able to do as even CDPR has backed off from marketing this game as a RPG every second sentence.

Video game RPG's are completely different than TTRPG's. They aren't the same thing and holding both to the same requirements is stupid. I've been gaming for over 30 years and the vast majority of it has been RPG's. Try looking up the first video game RPG. It's called Dragonstomper made in 1982. You guys all want to say that the genre is getting "diluted" yet DragonStomper is less of an RPG, according to your standards, than Cyberpunk 2077. How about you look at ALL RPG's instead of just cRPG's and TTRPG's? That includes consoles. The genre has existed for nearly 40 years. Not the TTRPG genre, the video game RPG genre. Why are you wanting to change the genre requirements 40 years after it was created?? It doesn't matter if you don't like how well made of an RPG it is. It's an RPG.

[Prophet360]

Publicado originalmente por kisercr:

Publicado originalmente por katzenkrimis:

Wow, glad this guy got banned. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

He thinks old and generic means Ultima and Final Fantasy on the PC. In other words, he's twenty-something years old. Tops.

Not once did he mention tabletop games like Call of Cthulhu, Pathfinder, D&D, or anything about dice rolling. Games like that are the sole reason we even have a role-playing genre in video games today. And not once has a video game ever been ported properly to replicate any of them.

It will be done someday, though. It'll take a genius and a lot of money to do it. Until then we play the closest thing to them. In 2020 that would be games like Solasta: Crown of the Magister, which is quite good for an unfinished game. Baldur's Gate III, which is quite messy, for an unfinished game. And Wasteland 3, which is much more of a RPG than Cyberpunk will ever be. Not to mention that it was nominated for RPG of the year, something that Cyberpunk will no longer be able to do as even CDPR has backed off from marketing this game as a RPG every second sentence.

Video game RPG's are completely different than TTRPG's. ...
It doesn't matter if you don't like how well made of an RPG it is. It's an RPG.

This is absurd. I will see your 30 years and raise it 10. Neither of us are inexperienced. And yes TTRPGs are different from CRPGs. But by you defnition anything with stats, levels, or story is an RPG. That is just not true. DOOM is NOT an RPG.
What does define RPGs are whether you have a choice as to how you accomplish objectives. The current iteration of CP does not fit even that, very loose, definition.

[RawDawg]

Every game is a role playing game. Basketball, racing, fps's, rpg's,,, We take on the role of something we are not. Simple as that. You're not a fat little Italian plumber are you?

[Balekai]

Publicado originalmente por Prophet360:

Publicado originalmente por kisercr:

Video game RPG's are completely different than TTRPG's. ...
It doesn't matter if you don't like how well made of an RPG it is. It's an RPG.

This is absurd. I will see your 30 years and raise it 10. Neither of us are inexperienced. And yes TTRPGs are different from CRPGs. But by you defnition anything with stats, levels, or story is an RPG. That is just not true. DOOM is NOT an RPG.
What does define RPGs are whether you have a choice as to how you accomplish objectives. The current iteration of CP does not fit even that, very loose, definition.

Except it does have choice on how you accomplish objectives...

- You can choose to save or not save people in the game with consequences, bonuses and even changes to the story. Linearity of narrative does not equate a lack of choice.
- You can choose different ways to accomplish missions and quests: You can do it stealthy, melee, ranged, techy and in some cases through dialogue. That is "choice as to how you accomplish objectives." Also not unique to RPGs. 1st person shooters have had this for along time too.

What you're saying is pretty much hyberbole. Cyberpunk has as many RPG elements as most RPGs have had for the last 20 years. Those arguing its not an RPG are also arguing that 90% of all RPGs are not RPGs but won't be honest and admit that. There's nothing absurd what kisercr said. The opposite in fact as a player of RPGs since the early/mod 90s. Anyone playing that long let alone 30-40 years should understand by now that RPGs have a labelling problem due to every game being basically a role playing game in some aspects. RPGs by their nature can incorporate a variety of genres because its such an abstract genre.

Publicado originalmente por hoondo:

I think they overdoly advertised cyberpunk as a game with a high degree of freedom.
Otherwise, I would never have bought this game.
There are people who advocate cyberpunk that there is not much difference between other games that existed.
Why should I be satisfied that Cyberpunk, launched in 2020, has similar degrees of freedom to the game launched in 2015?

That's the real argument. As much as I enjoy the game there's nothing groundbreaking about it. This RPG could have been made in 2015, or 2010 or even 2005. The difference being the graphics.

Edit: As an aside I see more "groundbreaking" stuff in kickstarter RPGs where they seem to experiment with more features and somehow do a better job with a lot less funds. Sure the games tend to be isometric with 20 year old graphics/engines, but they actually break some ground and don't cut hardly as many features on release.

The only new feature I have seen from a AAA RPG that's new in the last 10 years was Fallout 4's settlement building, which was another take on the underdeveloped stronghold mechanics of BG2 over the last two decades.

[ZombieHunter]

It is actually more fun to read this thread than play the game.

[RawDawg]

Publicado originalmente por Balekai:

Publicado originalmente por Prophet360:

This is absurd. I will see your 30 years and raise it 10. Neither of us are inexperienced. And yes TTRPGs are different from CRPGs. But by you defnition anything with stats, levels, or story is an RPG. That is just not true. DOOM is NOT an RPG.
What does define RPGs are whether you have a choice as to how you accomplish objectives. The current iteration of CP does not fit even that, very loose, definition.

Except it does have choice on how you accomplish objectives...

- You can choose to save or not save people in the game with consequences, bonuses and even changes to the story. Linearity of narrative does not equate a lack of choice.
- You can choose different ways to accomplish missions and quests: You can do it stealthy, melee, ranged, techy and in some cases through dialogue. That is "choice as to how you accomplish objectives." Also not unique to RPGs. 1st person shooters have had this for along time too.

What you're saying is pretty much hyberbole. Cyberpunk has as many RPG elements as most RPGs have had for the last 20 years. Those arguing its not an RPG are also arguing that 90% of all RPGs are not RPGs but won't be honest and admit that. There's nothing absurd what kisercr said. The opposite in fact as a player of RPGs since the early/mod 90s. Anyone playing that long let alone 30-40 years should understand by now that RPGs have a labelling problem due to every game being basically a role playing game in some aspects. RPGs by their nature can incorporate a variety of genres because its such an abstract genre.

Publicado originalmente por hoondo:

I think they overdoly advertised cyberpunk as a game with a high degree of freedom.
Otherwise, I would never have bought this game.
There are people who advocate cyberpunk that there is not much difference between other games that existed.
Why should I be satisfied that Cyberpunk, launched in 2020, has similar degrees of freedom to the game launched in 2015?

That's the real argument. As much as I enjoy the game there's nothing groundbreaking about it. This RPG could have been made in 2015, or 2010 or even 2005. The difference being the graphics.

Edit: As an aside I see more "groundbreaking" stuff in kickstarter RPGs where they seem to experiment with more features and somehow do a better job with a lot less funds. Sure the games tend to be isometric with 20 year old graphics/engines, but they actually break some ground and don't cut hardly as many features on release.

The only new feature I have seen from a AAA RPG that's new in the last 10 years was Fallout 4's settlement building, which was another take on the underdeveloped stronghold mechanics of BG2 over the last two decades.

Agree on the groundbreaking. It's a mash up of a bunch of different elements of other games. None of which it excels nor sets a standard for. Movement, loot system, QTE's, gunplay. gadgets, outfits. All borrowed from other franchises. Ambitious to say the least.

[Balekai]

Publicado originalmente por ZombieHunter:

It is actually more fun to read this thread than play the game.

That's the reason why these threads pop up for every RPG for 2 decades. It's a bloodsport! :p

[papalazarou]

Publicado originalmente por Sigh:

didn't you hear? apparently asscreed games are rpgs but this one isn't.

people have no problems labeling every open world as an rpg but this one is somehow a big deal.

yeah its weird why people really dont want this to be classed as an rpg

[ZombieHunter]

Publicado originalmente por papalazarou:

Publicado originalmente por Sigh:

didn't you hear? apparently asscreed games are rpgs but this one isn't.

people have no problems labeling every open world as an rpg but this one is somehow a big deal.

yeah its weird why people really dont want this to be classed as an rpg

I think it is weird people care one way or the other.