They Won't Go When I Go.

[Kaiser Waffle]

Is there a way to stop Joshua from being crucified ?

[¡ardito!]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Greywolf:

Diposting pertama kali oleh LaBestia:

yes but it's not the same brother... irl this dude would have freewill and could be convinced to not do it. Pure intentions, just not the way, why blaspheme if he was a true believer? My homie Joshua was saved..

I really hated this quest, personally I think Joshua deserves the bullet, how exactly does finding ♥♥♥♥♥ in jail absolve one of cold blooded murder? The idea that all you need to do to be a "good person" is to say how much you love ♥♥♥♥♥ is just ludicrous, does not matter how many you kill, how many lives you ruin, so long as you have an irrational belief that some mystical sky fairy exists you are a good person! This would have to be the laziest and most selfish belief imaginable, it is not a thought that comes from the heart of a truly good person but a selfish jackass who is too lazy to do actual good deeds but is stupid enough to believe in and fear the threats of "eternal damnation" to those who do not share the same irrational and illogical beliefs of some dress wearing ♥♥♥♥.

Lets just say this quest really rubbed me the wrong way.

clearly not the place to argue about religion but..
You are clearly uneducated on christian theology and it's okay, many people are. The idea of believing in Christ and then being a good person is clearly false. Nobody is a good person, not me, not you, not Joshua. The idea is that if you believe in Christ, he will forgive your sins for we are all sinners. Joshua clearly isn't a good person, he is a murderer! But it's not up to us humans to forgive him but God. Joshua deserves the bullet by human standards yes, and it would send him to his Creator but, it's not up to us to decide his fate but fate itself.
I hope that I was clear enough :D educate yourself on the matter even if you don't believe, it's interesting and you could make counter-arguments, have a blessed day!

[OldManBanjo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kaiser Waffle:

I feel like a few story lines have been cut down or are half finished. It seems like originally you would spend more time with Jackie and even the Voodoo Boys as well.

Definitely feels like the Joshua story line got cut down, along with the Jackie stuff and the Voodoo boys. I also feel that there was probably a bigger role for Judy in the main story line at one point, and she got cut.

[Profile_Name]

He's a murderer and your original job was to kill him. You can off him right there or go with crucifying him

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

I enjoyed crucifying him *shrugs* I'd have prefered to talk him out of it, but I was fine either way.

[¡ardito!]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Greywolf:

Diposting pertama kali oleh LaBestia:

clearly not the place to argue about religion but..
You are clearly uneducated on christian theology and it's okay, many people are. The idea of believing in Christ and then being a good person is clearly false. Nobody is a good person, not me, not you, not Joshua. The idea is that if you believe in Christ, he will forgive your sins for we are all sinners. Joshua clearly isn't a good person, he is a murderer! But it's not up to us humans to forgive him but God. Joshua deserves the bullet by human standards yes, and it would send him to his Creator but, it's not up to us to decide his fate but fate itself.
I hope that I was clear enough :D educate yourself on the matter even if you don't believe, it's interesting and you could make counter-arguments, have a blessed day!

Yes I am well aware of what the bible teaches in regards to original sin and how we are all tainted by the original sin of Adam and thus the only way we can be saved is to believe in ♥♥♥♥♥, kind of proves my point that the christian teachings have nothing to do with being a good person but rather showing obedience to a jealous sky dictator in order to get into the best clubs in the afterlife. You are not telling me anything I don't know.

original sin doesn't exist my guy, this is jewish teaching. The only reason you need to believe in ♥♥♥♥♥ is because ALL humans will sin because we are ALL bad. He is not a dictator, you d0n0t go to hell because you don't believe in him, you go to it because you sin...

[Karasu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh LaBestia:

Lets just say this quest really rubbed me the wrong way.

I guess you could say it Crossed the line

[Trace Projectile]

I like LaBestia. He knows what he's on about while being pretty respectful. That's my main thought aside that questline being yikes.

[jocking]

Yes, you can kill him when the car stops under the bridge. Like you had to do in the first place.

[jack_of_tears]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vivic_Lovecraft:

theres no way sadly. gotta say not much makes me uncomfortable. im no religious man, but damn did that mission feel odd

I'm the opposite, I found this to be a powerful and moving mission that stuck with me long after it was over. I helped him to find peace and, hopefully, inspire others.

I see people on here complaining that he was a terrible person, and he was, but the message of forgiveness is that terrible people who truly repent can find redemption. It is left up to you, as a player, to decide if 'V' believes in that and how they process what happens.

I stood there with the man until he died, spending many long moments in silence, and I felt how overwhelmed my character must have been at that moment. She left, still unsure of what it all meant, but she left with questions that would haunt her - which hadn't haunted her before.

It also sets up the main story - do you believe in redemption? Objectively, Johnny Silverhand is a terrorist on a vendetta, who runs over and uses people to get what he wants. Yet, you can try to redeem him and your end will be shaped by those efforts - if only in how they influence your final decisions.

This game is rated 'M for mature' and this is one of the missions that truly felt like it tackled mature topics.

[Trace Projectile]

Diposting pertama kali oleh jack_of_tears:

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A wise and serious take on it I feel. You're totally right about the reflection on the main story and Johnny's ultimate redemption or lack of it, I didn't even think about it.

Ultimately I found it to be a very deep mission. Was a lot of angles to it, different emotions each person could feel. Could find it either offensive or empowering, to various different things. It's also very very Cyberpunk suitable.

Won't stick around in the thread much, because these usually become 8 pages of arguing, but it was worth acknowledging people who really got it.

[VulcanLogic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kost:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kaiser Waffle:

Exactly I want to be able to save the guys life after spending so much time with him, whats the point of a quest like this if you can not even effect the outcome. Feels half finished.

It is half finished thats the issue sadface

I feel the same way. Especially because afterwards that chick called me and cursed me out for screwing everything up supposedly.

Even though she got the BD she wanted and the dude decided to be a moron and get crucified.

I'm all for the whole 'society sucks and we do this to people for money and entertainment'. It makes sense, and it definitely hit home with me. I got a bit emotional at the end honestly. Mortality is one of the central themes of the game as well, so it definitely fit.

At the same time though, it feels like you're supposed to have more of a choice, and you don't.

[melon]

This is one of the few interesting missions. Might’ve been a little morbid but I think the message is clear. Crazy people need help and isolation.

[404]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lemon:

This is one of the few interesting missions. Might’ve been a little morbid but I think the message is clear. Crazy people need help and isolation.

^^ this

[jack_of_tears]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Greywolf:

How is Joeseph redeemed though? What actions does he perform to atone for his sins, what good does he do in the world to offset the bad he committed?

That's the point of the mission. You, as 'V' are supposed to ask yourself those questions and come to your own answers.

Your character very likely kills many people over the course of the game, do they deserve to be forgiven? How many of those people you kill have families? Would they agree that you were in the right to kill their loved ones?

If there is no possibility of redemption and forgiveness, why would anyone strive for it? If this man cannot be forgiven, then why should anyone like him strive for forgiveness?

You see both extremes in the family you visit, you see that forgiveness can make a person feel free of the burden that is their pain and you see how some people are unwilling to let go of it. Who was happier in that scenario, the mother or the sister?

What does it mean that he found God in prison? Does it mean that no matter how much you, your character, does wrong, they can find peace and forgiveness some day?

At the end, he still dies, just as dead as if he'd been in the electric chair. Isn't that the justice the vengeful wanted? Then why does it feel so wrong? Or does it?

Good missions dig deeper than easy surface answers.

[☠Malarky☠]

The ONLY thing I was thinking was how long is this damn mission and I better get them Eddies!