Is Johnny a communist?

[Arvaos]

Is he a communist or a socialist?

[Bad Brad]

The whole setting of the game is anti-capitalism if you think about it. It's a dystopian capitalist future in which huge corporations rule the world and people live in fear and poverty. It's basically what every socialist imagines the future will be like and many believe it already is.

[Jonny*Combat]

Good god is this really the state of current education?

[Bastila Shan]

He’s obviously an anarchist.

[Husker_85]

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Good god is this really the state of current education?

...Yes :cry:

[Tiberius]

Първоначално публикувано от Wingman:

The whole setting of the game is anti-capitalism if you think about it. It's a dystopian capitalist future in which huge corporations rule the world and people live in fear and poverty. It's basically what every socialist imagines the future will be like and many believe it already is.

Sadly this is exactly what capitalism is you sheep.

[Ellorien]

Първоначално публикувано от VolcanoSheep:

Първоначално публикувано от Macy:

That's the same thing idiot

As someone that is neither, they aren't though.

- first under socialism you can own private property unlike with coommunism
- Communism demands a violent revolution where as socialism is more flexible in how it comes about
- socialism is based on the idea that people will be compensated based on their level of individual contribution to the economy, where as communism has everyone on a level playing field
- socialist economic system should reward individual effort and innovation, unlike communism.

Just a few differences

No, your understanding of socialism comes from fake news and propaganda. Socialism is an economic system based on the so-called collective ownership, which boils down to the state owning/controlling everything (no private property beyond personal possessions) and citizens being just state employees. And no, they are not compensated based on individual effort and innovation, that’s pure capitalism (merit system).
Salaries in a socialist system are usually fixed at the same level for everyone and go up equally in accordance with years served. That is considered fair. As a matter of fact, the system stifles innovation and free thought, has to rely on the theft of intellectual property, always ends up as a totalitarian hellhole and ultimately fails. Happens every time.

Communism is the utopian “final stage” of socialism where everyone is provided according to their “needs.”

[Tiberius]

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Първоначално публикувано от VolcanoSheep:

As someone that is neither, they aren't though.

- first under socialism you can own private property unlike with coommunism
- Communism demands a violent revolution where as socialism is more flexible in how it comes about
- socialism is based on the idea that people will be compensated based on their level of individual contribution to the economy, where as communism has everyone on a level playing field
- socialist economic system should reward individual effort and innovation, unlike communism.

Just a few differences

No, your understanding of socialism comes from fake news and propaganda. Socialism is an economic system based on the so-called collective ownership, which boils down to the state owning/controlling everything (no private property beyond personal possessions) and citizens being just state employees. And no, they are not compensated based on individual effort and innovation, that’s pure capitalism (merit system).
Salaries in a socialist system are usually fixed at the same level for everyone and go up equally in accordance with years served. That is considered fair. As a matter of fact, the system stifles innovation and free thought, has to rely on the theft of intellectual property, always ends up as a totalitarian hellhole and ultimately fails. Happens every time.

Communism is the utopian “final stage” of socialism where everyone is provided according to their “needs.”

You guys are both wrong to some extend. Because you are using fake socialist systems as an example, or at least how it went down there as an example.

I know that this is a scientific way of proving things but ultimatively these aren't the ideas behind socialism and communism. You both don't know shi.. about it as you are both capitalist products and probably victim of the American education system.

Sad, just some 16 yrs olds big mouthing at each other like they have a clue.

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Първоначално публикувано от Isaac Clark:

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Ummm didn't that "white supremacist" guy Spencer something vote for Biden? Last I checked "nazis" hate Trump for being israel's puppet.

Where TF did you check? Was it Narnia?!

I follow him on Twitter, it's true. You can check for yourself.

[Wanderer]

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Nope, anarchism is a far left idealogy.

And it doesn't mean what you think it means, it's a stance based on the idea of self governance, the rejection of political, economic, and social hierarchies-even those on the right which reject governance entirely, advocate for hierarchal structures, usually economically based, based on violence or some other form of "might makes right".

Anarchism soundly rejects that entirely and advocates systems of straight up democracy, not "representative" or "electoral" democracy and entails everyone having their needs met by way of mutual aid. Anarchism is socialism.

The fact it's completely voluntary means it cannot be socialism. The "mutual aid" is without recourse to force or compulsion. Aka, no government bodies. It's literally less government than libertarianism (at least, modern libertarianism).

"noun: anarchism

belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion."

[Husker_85]

There are certain parts of the US where political terminology and concepts are like a big game of telephone where parents with a shaky understanding of things try to explain it to their children, who then end up with an even worse understanding.

[Husker_85]

The main problem with anarchism is that the moment there's no unified force to stop them, the biggest strongest ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will step in and start subjugating everyone else. This is why the left believe that the function of government is to prevent the strong from trampling the weak.

[Wither]

Първоначално публикувано от Isaac Clark:

The main problem with anarchism is that the moment there's no unified force to stop them, the biggest strongest ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will step in and start subjugating everyone else. This is why the left believe that the function of government is to prevent the strong from trampling the weak.

Unless the corp control the government. Which is likely the case for Cyberpunk and NC. Then it will be just people and the corp. No small SME or anything along the way. Just people and very large corop.

[Ellorien]

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Първоначално публикувано от ellorien:

No, your understanding of socialism comes from fake news and propaganda. Socialism is an economic system based on the so-called collective ownership, which boils down to the state owning/controlling everything (no private property beyond personal possessions) and citizens being just state employees. And no, they are not compensated based on individual effort and innovation, that’s pure capitalism (merit system).
Salaries in a socialist system are usually fixed at the same level for everyone and go up equally in accordance with years served. That is considered fair. As a matter of fact, the system stifles innovation and free thought, has to rely on the theft of intellectual property, always ends up as a totalitarian hellhole and ultimately fails. Happens every time.

Communism is the utopian “final stage” of socialism where everyone is provided according to their “needs.”

You guys are both wrong to some extend. Because you are using fake socialist systems as an example, or at least how it went down there as an example.

I know that this is a scientific way of proving things but ultimatively these aren't the ideas behind socialism and communism. You both don't know shi.. about it as you are both capitalist products and probably victim of the American education system.

Sad, just some 16 yrs olds big mouthing at each other like they have a clue.

I have children older than you, sit down and be quiet. I studied these things in college in 70s, before you were born. “Fake socialist systems”, “it’s just never been implemented correctly” and other BS is surely the hallmark of great wisdom and superior knowledge. You can’t prove it but you just know there must be a “scientific way” to prove that I am wrong, somewhere. Try to search Marxist websites, son, sure you can find lots of “proofs” over there.

[Greb]

He's just a pure blooded born and bred American who decided that two nukes weren't enough.