Oh, Polygon..

[Raven Ranks]

So we're reviewing games based on this now?

"Thankfully, your character’s gender is not tied to your choice of genitals. You can create a dude with a vagina or a lady with a penis, that’s no problem. But because of everything else about how the game handles trans identity, this hardly feels like the progressive step it should be. Rather than just letting you pick your pronouns independently of all your other character creation choices, your pronouns are assigned based on your selection of voice: Pick the “feminine” voice and your pronouns are she/her, and vice versa. (There are no nonbinary pronoun options.) As a trans woman with a voice that many would not describe as “feminine,” this direct linking of gender identity to having a voice that sounds “masculine” or “feminine” feels weirdly essentializing."

https://www.polygon.com/reviews/22158019/cyberpunk-2077-review-cd-projekt-red-pc-ps4-xbox-one-stadia

Is it just me, or can we simply not?

[계산 중]

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

You know, you're saying your opinion almost like its a fact there... I would assert that no cis male would wear female clothing by choice unless for comedy or not freezing to death reasons.

Somebody has clearly never heard of femboys. Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[Sludge Judy]

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

Messaggio originale di Dr. JamJams:

you know that a lot of cis men wear dresses too, right?

Cloth doesnt have a gender, and it can be worn by whoever chooses to wear it

You know, you're saying your opinion almost like its a fact there... I would assert that no cis male would wear female clothing by choice unless for comedy or not freezing to death reasons. Its true everyone is free to wear what they want. But some choices make it clear that a person is insane. You're free to leave your house wearing a swimming suit in the middle of a snowstorm. No laws will stop you, but you would be 100% insane to do so. Same with this whole trans nonsense. Sure dress up and cut your ♥♥♥♥ off, youre still not a woman.

LOL as someone who spent 10 years as a dominatrix, I laughed extremely hard at this. Your sheltered little worldview has become abundantly clear to me now. Some men just like the feel of women's clothes, or to role play as a woman. Kinks and preferences for clothing are mental illness now, too? What ISN'T a mental illness to you? It's cute that your understanding of the world around you is so limited to your bedroom. It really is.

[Macho Chunko]

Messaggio originale di Dauragon:

Messaggio originale di Macho Chunko:

Why the ♥♥♥♥ would you get treated differently in a legal matter?

Still hearing what you want to hear, eh? I didn't say treated differently, I said treated equally. Trans people face discrimination on many fronts including justice system outcomes (i.e. trans women are punished more severely than women for the same crime) and employment, to name two examples.

Messaggio originale di Macho Chunko:

Like what you want a free pass for breaking the law or some sort of extra benefits? Seems like yes you want extra privileges.

You are letting your imagination run away with you.

Messaggio originale di Macho Chunko:

And yes you have the same rights as everyone else already, you just think you deserve more rights than them.
Also list me the rights that normal people have that trans don't have? Go ahead.

The right to not be refused healthcare because of your gender identity, the right to go to a jail fitting your gender and the right to use a bathroom fitting your gender, to name three examples.

I meant why you would get treated differently to men and women in a court. Props to you for not knowing what you write.
Yes you do want benefits.
Also a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke, you're a man and you go to man's jails, last time they let you into women's prisons you ended up raping them you degenerates.

[Sludge Judy]

Messaggio originale di 계산 중:

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

You know, you're saying your opinion almost like its a fact there... I would assert that no cis male would wear female clothing by choice unless for comedy or not freezing to death reasons.

Somebody has clearly never heard of femboys. Allow us to introduce ourselves.

OwO did somebody say femboi!? Why, hello...

[Whar❓]

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

Messaggio originale di Dr. JamJams:

you know that a lot of cis men wear dresses too, right?

Cloth doesnt have a gender, and it can be worn by whoever chooses to wear it

You know, you're saying your opinion almost like its a fact there... I would assert that no cis male would wear female clothing by choice unless for comedy or not freezing to death reasons. Its true everyone is free to wear what they want. But some choices make it clear that a person is insane. You're free to leave your house wearing a swimming suit in the middle of a snowstorm. No laws will stop you, but you would be 100% insane to do so. Same with this whole trans nonsense. Sure dress up and cut your ♥♥♥♥ off, youre still not a woman.

i know a few guys who wear dresses all the time because they're pretty, freeing, and they make a funny little shape when you spin around in them. Sometimes you just gotta forget about what society thinks a man should be and just have fun with life

[Arasine]

Messaggio originale di Iwantacookie:

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

A man wearing a dress is all the proof I need to know someone has a mental illness.

Seems like you are just an presumptive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ then.

Glad we cleared that up.

Appears I've touched a nerve... ad-hominem attacks only prove you have no logical argument to counter what I said. It must be very hard to swallow, but you world view is based on nonsense if you think men become women when they put on a dress and have their genitals removed...

[Starcut83]

Messaggio originale di 계산 중:

Messaggio originale di Jdeano:

I don't know where all this equating transgender to mental illness is coming from. I'm talking legit mental illness...like schizophrenia.

Like someone else already pointed out though, gender dysphoria actually is a mental disorder. Mental health disorders cover an extremely large spectrum, it's not just things like schizophrenia, you know. Unfortunately for Gamers, the treatment for gender dysphoric people is not to repeatedly call them mentally ill.

Well I'll admit I didn't know that. Thanks for enlightening me. I've never understood transgender but I can relate in that I understand what's it's like to not be understood.

[Sludge Judy]

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

Messaggio originale di Iwantacookie:

Seems like you are just an presumptive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ then.

Glad we cleared that up.

Appears I've touched a nerve... ad-hominem attacks only prove you have no logical argument to counter what I said. It must be very hard to swallow, but you world view is based on nonsense if you think men become women when they put on a dress and have their genitals removed...

If it is a mental illness, why isn't that in the DSM-5? Simple question.

[Muerte]

Nice satire... oh wait

[Aurelius Rex]

Messaggio originale di Dr. JamJams:

Messaggio originale di Königstiger:

"The historical view of gender is not as simple as you're pretending." Did you actually type this out? I almost shot coffee out of my nose. Please, woke-splain to me how the historical view of gender/sex isn't binary. As for the rest of your assertion: stating her opinion that people who menstruate are called women is not "giving validation to people who want to abuse trans people" regardless of how unpalatable you find it. The word woman literally means adult human female. Only females can menstruate. That's a fact and it doesn't depend on your interpretation or your highly attuned woke sensibilities.

i mean if we're talking history here most cultures had some kind of third gender or trans identity, all the way up to ancient rome. The problem is that midevil poland didnt have those identities and in fact had it outlawed along with homosexuality.

Assertion is not evidence. I'm perfectly aware that just as there has always been homosexuality there have always been people that felt uncomfortable in their sex. That is not the same thing as suggesting that during the approximately 10,000 years of recorded human history there has ever been a codified third (fourth,fifth,etc) gender; apart from intersex individuals which are legitimately neither male nor female.

[Arasine]

Messaggio originale di fox:

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

You know, you're saying your opinion almost like its a fact there... I would assert that no cis male would wear female clothing by choice unless for comedy or not freezing to death reasons.

Just stop.

Can't. It's called being right.

[Morte-360]

Messaggio originale di Lkory:

Don't read the Kotaku one, just don't!!!! :D

Polygon review wasn't so bad after all lol

I did :/. I don't think it's as bad as polygon's tbh. It's mostly even handed it more sounds like they didn't gel with the game. However, the reviewers statement it was a relief to not be in the all white world of the Witcher tells you a lot. That annoyed me.

Poland is like 95% white if not more but this reviewer expects a game made by a Polish developer about a Polish work drawing on slavic mythology not to represent their own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ country but his world in the west and his western lens instead. It's pure arrogance. Eastern Europe has their own culture and history they do not need to be talked down to by us in the west which they constantly are or expected to create things that represent the west. My partner is Polish and has been talked down to a lot in London it is unfortunately not an uncommon attitude. If these reviewers cannot see their own arrogance and bias in regards to games like Kingdom Come, Witcher or Cyberpunk from devs in C & E Europe then they have no right to be lecturing anyone.

They wouldn't do it if a Nigerian dev made a game with all black people or an Indian dev all Asian people. There would be outrage if they did. The world doesn't start and end with the US and Western Europe.

[Whar❓]

Messaggio originale di Eldritch Horror Waifu:

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

You know, you're saying your opinion almost like its a fact there... I would assert that no cis male would wear female clothing by choice unless for comedy or not freezing to death reasons. Its true everyone is free to wear what they want. But some choices make it clear that a person is insane. You're free to leave your house wearing a swimming suit in the middle of a snowstorm. No laws will stop you, but you would be 100% insane to do so. Same with this whole trans nonsense. Sure dress up and cut your ♥♥♥♥ off, youre still not a woman.

LOL as someone who spent 10 years as a dominatrix, I laughed extremely hard at this. Your sheltered little worldview has become abundantly clear to me now. Some men just like the feel of women's clothes, or to role play as a woman. Kinks and preferences for clothing are mental illness now, too? What ISN'T a mental illness to you? It's cute that your understanding of the world around you is so limited to your bedroom. It really is.

I 100% agree with you but i think the sentence "as someone who spent 10 years as a dominatrix" did something irreversible to my chakras

[Die-Hardman]

Messaggio originale di Königstiger:

"The historical view of gender is not as simple as you're pretending." Did you actually type this out? I almost shot coffee out of my nose. Please, woke-splain to me how the historical view of gender/sex isn't binary.

To name one early example, there was an anglo-saxon word wæpen-wifestre which was a word for intersex people. The ancient Egyptians had three genders, including one called "sekhet". For a more recent example, native Americans have a third gender called two-spirit. Hell, what do you think hermaphrodite means? Where do you think that word comes from? It's almost as if people who aren't cleanly male/female have existed for thousands of years! Shocker!

Messaggio originale di Königstiger:

As for the rest of your assertion: stating her opinion that people who menstruate are called women is not "giving validation to people who want to abuse trans people" regardless of how unpalatable you find it. The word woman literally means adult human female. Only females can menstruate. That's a fact and it doesn't depend on your interpretation or your highly attuned woke sensibilities.

Intersex people can also menstruate, so oops, there goes that argument in the garbage where it belongs.

Telling people that trans women are not women enables and encourages anti-Trans hatred.

[Arasine]

Messaggio originale di Eldritch Horror Waifu:

Messaggio originale di Arasine:

Appears I've touched a nerve... ad-hominem attacks only prove you have no logical argument to counter what I said. It must be very hard to swallow, but you world view is based on nonsense if you think men become women when they put on a dress and have their genitals removed...

If it is a mental illness, why isn't that in the DSM-5? Simple question.

Because US medical practice is dogged with political and financial influences.