UPDATE: CD Projekt Red contacted me about gender choices.

[Mako Ruu]

The options to be basic male and female are still available in the game. It's already been confirmed via Cyberpunk's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ facebook over Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/cwmi6b/about_the_gender_outrage/

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UPDATE

So I just head from CD Projekt Red via Facebook. Male and female options are still in the game.

"Strict male and female options are still there 🙂 Nothing was removed per se, we actually added extra options to let players decide who they want to be! 🙂"

Here is a screen shot of my conversation with them. I've been asking them questions for weeks, and was even featured in a gameranx and neon arcade video recently.

https://i.imgur.com/jIh5uiX.png

UPDATE: Screen shot of my desktop cause people think it's fake, I guess.

https://i.imgur.com/RvfjGg2.png


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The option to simply be non-binary is now in the character creator, is all.

Also; they expanded the character creator to include altered voices, body types, more hair styles, more tattoos, more eye and skin colors. You can even be a male with female characteristics, if that sort of thing appeals to you.

This is what happens when you have a development company who's native language is not English, and an interviewer who does not follow through with questioning. The chosen wording made it seem as though it was completely ambiguous, which may have upset a lot of people.

I for one don't give a damn what people identify as, so long as we're all gamers. I've been waiting for this game since 2013, having been an avid player of Cyberpunk 2020 since the 1990's, and watching the cyberpunk genre fall out of the limelight after having amazing games like Deus Ex, Anachronox, and Omikron be overshadowed by Steam Punk and Zombies for two decades.

The decision to include non-binary options in a character creator will not keep me from enjoying this game.

[Retrogon]

What they should've done is keep the two genders and add a third option for people who don't identify as a man or woman in which you can pick your body type and voice, now THAT would've been inclusive 'cuz not everyone is a trans. Taking away the genders is pretty much like saying you're all trans. Anyway, if they had done it this way, they wouldn't have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their hands right now.

[bgray9054]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Argon Dredd:

What they should've done is keep the two genders and add a third option for people who don't identify as a man or woman in which you can pick your body type and voice, now THAT would've been inclusive 'cuz not everyone is a trans. Taking away the genders is pretty much like saying you're all trans. Anyway, if they had done it this way, they wouldn't have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their hands right now.

No doubt. The whole thing was driven by the Marthe Jonkers interview - now whether her statements are accurate or not is in question, so we'll have to wait and see what the real deal is.

[Antiquary]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mighty:

Diposting pertama kali oleh zizi Antiquary:

Please don't until your writing becomes a bearable read. This has nothing to do with Epic - I won't touch Epic with a bargepole.

oh, sorry

so.... you ignore my whole statement and attack my non perfect english with a two-liner ??

okay... have a nice day anyway

I repeat - this has nothing to do with Epic - CDPR rejecting Epic is a big plus in my book.

Start with forming correct sentences with capital letters and proper - or at least useful - punctuation.

[RasaNova]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Argon Dredd:

What they should've done is keep the two genders and add a third option for people who don't identify as a man or woman in which you can pick your body type and voice, now THAT would've been inclusive 'cuz not everyone is a trans. Taking away the genders is pretty much like saying you're all trans. Anyway, if they had done it this way, they wouldn't have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their hands right now.

I mostly agree with the first part, there would have been less confusion over the issue. But I guarantee the outrage would still be there, and most of these people saying they were excited and can't wait for the game would be canceling their preorders because politics.

[Cabalius]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RasaNova:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Argon Dredd:

What they should've done is keep the two genders and add a third option for people who don't identify as a man or woman in which you can pick your body type and voice, now THAT would've been inclusive 'cuz not everyone is a trans. Taking away the genders is pretty much like saying you're all trans. Anyway, if they had done it this way, they wouldn't have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their hands right now.

I mostly agree with the first part, there would have been less confusion over the issue. But I guarantee the outrage would still be there, and most of these people saying they were excited and can't wait for the game would be canceling their preorders because politics.

But if you think about it... This stink got the game in the news, in a way of everyone is talking about it in pretty much most social platforms. This is again, both a negative and a positive, just like the Dave Chapelle thing.

[RasaNova]

Diposting pertama kali oleh FrostKojak:

Diposting pertama kali oleh RasaNova:

I mostly agree with the first part, there would have been less confusion over the issue. But I guarantee the outrage would still be there, and most of these people saying they were excited and can't wait for the game would be canceling their preorders because politics.

But if you think about it... This stink got the game in the news, in a way of everyone is talking about it in pretty much most social platforms. This is again, both a negative and a positive, just like the Dave Chapelle thing.

Oh I don't doubt it. The attention the game gets from all the nontroversy from the left and right will sell WAY more games than the people yelling about it would have bought.

[TrilbyMcTip]

Nice try OP, but there are some people who absolutely need a reason to be outraged over something. No amount of facts are going to be enough.

It's a little sad, honestly. Imagine looking forward to playing a game for months and suddenly you have to hate it because politics. Honestly, if some political talking head told me that I shouldn't like something related to a hobby of mine I don't think I'd eat it up so readily, especially if there was evidence that the story in question was blown out of proportion.

[Paradox]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Liku:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Paradox:

Using words meant to discredit someone by poisoning the well just because they don't agree with you, is not the sign of a great argument.

When someone thinks that a trans-woman is a man pretending to be a woman, they aren't scared of the trans-woman. Rather, they believe in biology. When someone then refers to that trans-woman as a he, they are still not scared.

And, who isn't sexist? Nature itself is sexist. Men and Women are not the same, otherwise we wouldn't even have two different words for them, we'd only use one.

And, nobody cares if it doesn't effect the game, it's when it does effect the game, particularly in a negative way, that they do.

I mean more those that force those views on others. If someone thinks it is a man pretending to be a woman they are free to think that as long as they don't intentionally cause hurt by telling a transgender person that etc. If that is all then they are not transphobic, just they don't know the full facts or just have a different opinion on them.

I don't believe in forcing people to think a certain way. When I talk about transphobia and sexism I mean the extreme kind that post hurtful things or those that literally are phobic about things like those born male using female restrooms etc.

I don't think you even realize what you are doing. If they cannot address a trans-woman as a man, then you are forcing your views on them, while at the same time saying they are free to have their views but not force them on anyone. And, they have the facts, the facts are on their side, it's a huge reason they hold the beliefs in the first place.

[Alice]

Edit:
I am out of this discussion. I do not wish to address the below reply or get into anything more.

[Devoras]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Liku:

What ever happened to respecting others? Does it harm you to be a little nice and call them by their preferred gender? All I ask is for people to be respectful and not discriminate based on those views.

There's a world of difference between being nice to someone and calling them by their preferred gender, and trying to force others to agree that reality isn't real with language.

For example, if I see someone who has male physical characteristics, I will think 'that's a man'. Now if that person prefers to be referred to as a woman, I will think that's a man who prefers to be referred to as a woman'. Where I start to have a problem with it is people who insist, when looking at someone who is physically a man, they are literally a woman, instead of a man who wants to be referred to as a woman. They're trying to get me to agree that what I can see is true, is not true.

Imagine if I pointed to a chair and told you 'that's a sofa, and you're a bigot if you don't agree', would you not resist my attempts to control you in such a way? Clearly it's physically a chair that you're looking at, it's not a sofa. It's this 'gender is a social construct' thing that's the problem. I'm happy to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun if it doesn't align with their gender, but I'm not okay with being expected to admit that someone who is physically a man is literally a woman, or that someone who is physically a woman is literally a man. They cannot change physical reality by just saying so. That doesn't mean we can't be nice to them and call them by their preferred gender.

[Alice]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Devoras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Liku:

What ever happened to respecting others? Does it harm you to be a little nice and call them by their preferred gender? All I ask is for people to be respectful and not discriminate based on those views.

There's a world of difference between being nice to someone and calling them by their preferred gender, and trying to force others to agree that reality isn't real with language.

For example, if I see someone who has male physical characteristics, I will think 'that's a man'. Now if that person prefers to be referred to as a woman, I will think that's a man who prefers to be referred to as a woman'. Where I start to have a problem with it is people who insist, when looking at someone who is physically a man, they are literally a woman, instead of a man who wants to be referred to as a woman. They're trying to get me to agree that what I can see is true, is not true.

Imagine if I pointed to a chair and told you 'that's a sofa, and you're a bigot if you don't agree', would you not resist my attempts to control you in such a way? Clearly it's physically a chair that you're looking at, it's not a sofa. It's this 'gender is a social construct' thing that's the problem. I'm happy to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun if it doesn't align with their gender, but I'm not okay with being expected to admit that someone who is physically a man is literally a woman, or that someone who is physically a woman is literally a man. They cannot change physical reality by just saying so. That doesn't mean we can't be nice to them and call them by their preferred gender.

I said I was out but I do want to say that this reply is the kind of thing I am ok with. I do know not all transgender people are like I am and some can be too forceful and hurt our cause.
Edit:
Also of course in my original comment meant preferred pronoun not preferred gender since that might be taken the wrong way.

[Paradox]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Devoras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Liku:

What ever happened to respecting others? Does it harm you to be a little nice and call them by their preferred gender? All I ask is for people to be respectful and not discriminate based on those views.

There's a world of difference between being nice to someone and calling them by their preferred gender, and trying to force others to agree that reality isn't real with language.

For example, if I see someone who has male physical characteristics, I will think 'that's a man'. Now if that person prefers to be referred to as a woman, I will think that's a man who prefers to be referred to as a woman'. Where I start to have a problem with it is people who insist, when looking at someone who is physically a man, they are literally a woman, instead of a man who wants to be referred to as a woman. They're trying to get me to agree that what I can see is true, is not true.

Imagine if I pointed to a chair and told you 'that's a sofa, and you're a bigot if you don't agree', would you not resist my attempts to control you in such a way? Clearly it's physically a chair that you're looking at, it's not a sofa. It's this 'gender is a social construct' thing that's the problem. I'm happy to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun if it doesn't align with their gender, but I'm not okay with being expected to admit that someone who is physically a man is literally a woman, or that someone who is physically a woman is literally a man. They cannot change physical reality by just saying so. That doesn't mean we can't be nice to them and call them by their preferred gender.

Using a pronoun that doesn't align with their ♥♥♥, is agreeing that they are that other ♥♥♥. It's the same thing as calling the chair a sofa. Nice has nothing to do with it, it's just reality.

[Paradox]

Diposting pertama kali oleh fox:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Devoras:

There's a world of difference between being nice to someone and calling them by their preferred gender, and trying to force others to agree that reality isn't real with language.

For example, if I see someone who has male physical characteristics, I will think 'that's a man'. Now if that person prefers to be referred to as a woman, I will think that's a man who prefers to be referred to as a woman'. Where I start to have a problem with it is people who insist, when looking at someone who is physically a man, they are literally a woman, instead of a man who wants to be referred to as a woman. They're trying to get me to agree that what I can see is true, is not true.

A reasonable bigot is still a bigot. They don't have to be screaming profanities, or abusing those who don't agree.

How is calling a man a man, abuse?

[Devoras]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Liku:

I said I was out but I do want to say that this reply is the kind of thing I am ok with. I do know not all transgender people are like I am and some can be too forceful and hurt our cause.

Then I'm glad we could have this discussion. I'm not even sure it's transgender people causing these sorts of problems anyway, more often than not it seems to be co-opted by others with an agenda. I feel it's important to speak out against those people trying to control others by pushing postmodernist anti-reality views or controlling people through intentionally ill defined terms like hate speech. I have no ill will towards transgender people.

[Paradox]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Devoras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Liku:

I said I was out but I do want to say that this reply is the kind of thing I am ok with. I do know not all transgender people are like I am and some can be too forceful and hurt our cause.

Then I'm glad we could have this discussion. I'm not even sure it's transgender people causing these sorts of problems anyway, more often than not it seems to be co-opted by others with an agenda. I feel it's important to speak out against those people trying to control others by pushing postmodernist anti-reality views or controlling people through intentionally ill defined terms like hate speech. I have no ill will towards transgender people.

You're not sure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6OpRfyLFo