Remove Denuvo now.

[Dante]

You had all the sales you can get and the game is now cracked, (though pirates were never gonna buy anyway) so Denuvo serves no purpose here.
Just remove it plz.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

I also prefer when games are DRM free but Denuvo is not that bad compared to securom, safedisc, starforce or activiation limit these things were alot more annoying.

• Made by exact same guy who did Securom.
  
• Acts exactly the same.
  
• "Not that bad."

Really? It even has same activation limit issue.

[Extreme]

Its dont act the same securom require to put disc in optical drive everytime you wanted to play game and its not the same activation limit. There was other DRMs that require to activate game on PC when you wanted to install game again you had to deactivate it first and if you forgot to do that and you removed game or your HDD died, you installed OS fresh etc only way to install game was to call technical support, ask them to deactivate game for you and provide evidence that you own game and that game is yours.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

Its dont act the same securom require to put disc in optical drive everytime you wanted to play game and its not the same activation limit. There was other DRMs that require to activate game on PC when you wanted to install game again you had to deactivate it first and if you forgot to do that and you removed game or your HDD died, you installed OS fresh etc only way to install game was to call technical support, ask them to deactivate game for you and provide evidence that you own game and that game is yours.

You've probably never heard about digital securom. It existed on Steam before Securom has finally died. Plagued games like Batman: Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.

Denuvo has both activation limit problems(rules differ on per-game basis) and deactivating in the least desirable moment. It's just that Denuvo maker doesn't set them as strict as before. On the other hand Denuvo cause problems with game's performance and stability. And sometimes developer set insanely strict settings there. Like it was with Batman: Arkham Knight.

[Extreme]

I admit that i never heard about digital securom but Arkham Asylum and Arkham City had Games for Windows Live which was also more pain in ass than Denuvo is. I never had problem with deactivation or stability/performance caused by Denuvo I have some games like Arkham Knight, Mass Effect Andromeda, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Doom that had Denuvo and after it was removed by developers games stability and performance is exactly the same.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

I admit that i never heard about digital securom but Arkham Asylum and Arkham City had Games for Windows Live which was also more pain in ass than Denuvo is. I never had problem with deactivation or stability/performance caused by Denuvo

The main PITA for those games was Securom, not GFWL. Along with infamous activation limit issues.

As for deactivation - you seemingly never used Denuvo games without internet connection. It doesn't work as advertized.

引用自 Extreme：

I have some games like Arkham Knight, Mass Effect Andromeda, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Doom that had Denuvo and after it was removed by developers games stability and performance is exactly the same.

How do you know, that stability and performance have remained exactly the same? Did you made comparison with proper measurements, or just read media articles?

I can't say for all games, but Batman: AK had horrible problems with Denuvo. Yes, it was not only bad outsourced port, but Denuvo as well.

[Extreme]

Yes you are right i never used Denuvo without internet but i think internet is a thing that most of the people have besides you need internet to download games from Steam and other clients which are DRM on its own only GOG allows you to save installation files and launch games without any clients and internet. As for stability and performance its actually easy to just launch game and use in game benchmark or use save and replay the same moments before and after Denuvo was removed :)

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

Yes you are right i never used Denuvo without internet but i think internet is a thing that most of the people have besides you need internet to download games from Steam and other clients which are DRM on its own only GOG allows you to save installation files and launch games without any clients and internet. As for stability and performance its actually easy to just launch game and use in game benchmark or use save and replay the same moments before and after Denuvo was removed :)

That's another misconception GJ media feeds you with. Steam has offline mode, which works very well. But Denuvo breaks Steam's offline mode. Valve in guideline for Steam Deck developers recommends against Denuvo.

I've tested performance with and without Denuvo myself. And difference is quite noticeable. If you've been following narrative of Denuvo shills you might've heard how they now say "it's not Denuvo, but Denuvo's implementation by game's developers". So basically even Denuvo itself admits obvious performance problems caused by VM based copy-protection.

[Extreme]

I know that Steam have offline mode but you still need go online to download games and i am not following anyone narrative i tested games that i mentioned and all of them works exactly the same.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

I know that Steam have offline mode but you still need go online to download games and i am not following anyone narrative i tested games that i mentioned and all of them works exactly the same.

You download games once.

As for testing - it's important to test properly. If you're measuring it "by the eye", using vsync while testing, etc - no wonder if you won't see the difference. If you use a powerful CPU you won't notice the difference.

If you personally doesn't see it - doesn't mean there is no problem. A guy who doesn't know what smooth 60 fps looks like might also be completely satisfied with choppy 30+ frames per second. That's how "Denuvo doesn't cause performance problems" thing works. Dispute it has been proved long time ago that it does.

[Extreme]

I use Afterburner to test it and for that specific test i disabled V-Sync and left FPS uncapped(i most of the time play with V-Sync because i target 60fps with my PC) and i dont think my CPU is powerful its I5 9600K.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

I use Afterburner to test it and for that specific test i disabled V-Sync and left FPS uncapped(i most of the time play with V-Sync because i target 60fps with my PC) and i dont think my CPU is powerful its I5 9600K.

For games you've mentioned it's an overkill CPU.

[Extreme]

Shadow of the Tomb Raider hits pretty hard on CPU with uncapped FPS in benchmark while game shows Paititi.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

Shadow of the Tomb Raider hits pretty hard on CPU with uncapped FPS in benchmark while game shows Paititi.

Is it a hub or a wast open space? TR engine always had problems with big open spaces for some reason.

[Extreme]

Yes its biggest location in SOTTR and biggest location from survival trilogy if i am correct. I dont think there is problem with engine this location is big and there is alot NPCs here.

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Extreme：

Yes its biggest location in SOTTR and biggest location from survival trilogy if i am correct. I dont think there is problem with engine this location is big and there is alot NPCs here.

ROTR has exact same issue.