Crysis 2 Maximum Edition

Crysis 2 Maximum Edition

dallas Jan 19, 2020 @ 8:40am
what happened to alcatraz'ss mind?? [spoiler alert]
please dont read this it you havent play the game

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Vassago Rain Jan 19, 2020 @ 11:52am 
He falls asleep, and stays asleep, forever. Absorbed by the nanosuit, like everybody else who's ever worn one past a certain state.
Ceejay Jan 19, 2020 @ 2:58pm 
Its kind of horrific if you think about it, you put the suit on and essentially its a parasite, killing you slowly :p
Vassago Rain Jan 19, 2020 @ 3:30pm 
Originally posted by Ceejay:
Its kind of horrific if you think about it, you put the suit on and essentially its a parasite, killing you slowly :p

In his case, he was already basically dead when Prophet put it on him as a last ditch attempt to fight CELL and the ceph.
dallas Jan 19, 2020 @ 6:37pm 
:(
BryantheMad Jan 20, 2020 @ 7:10pm 
I thought perhaps things were somewhat off with Alcatraz from the start, with the not talking.
For those who think he was gone as soon as he was in the suit: whom was Prophet addressing when he makes his appearance again?
Alcatraz is gone for good, though, by the end of Crysis 2 - perhaps injured beyond repair, or below sentience. Prophet's gestalt then takes over what is left, and it is that entity which answers Rasch.
dallas Jan 20, 2020 @ 9:47pm 
thats sad
Vassago Rain Jan 21, 2020 @ 2:14am 
He isn't talking because his voicebox gets messed up during the ceph attack, along with most everything else about him. He's basically dead when Prophet plugs him in, then the suit itself gradually repairs his body by straight up invading and merging with it, as shown throughout the story, to everybody's shock, except Hargreave.

This is possible because 1) he doesn't wear the 'undersuit' that everybody else wears as precaution. Prophet still has his on when he shoots himself at the start, and 2) he was heavily wounded when he put it on, and the suit is a symbiotic system. In order for the suit to survive, it needs the host body to survive. The 'suit' that's talking to Alcatraz assumes the face of Prophet because that's the only other 'person' SECOND, the suit's computer, has ever been exposed to, and also the only other person SECOND knows Alcatraz has spoken to, but it's not Prophet - just an imprint, another ghost in the shell. Barnes, who goes by the codename Prophet, is long dead at the end of the game, and Alcatraz falls into an endless sleep, which was inevitable after administering the Tunguska iteration, leaving a computer with memories of two men in charge of something beyond man and machine.

A post-human warrior, as Hargreave said.

The third game continues this, with characters questioning whose face you're wearing under that helmet, among other great lines. The one who calls himself Prophet in crysis 3 is SECOND, the computer, who draws upon skills and limitations he learned from Alcatraz, but morality and character from Barnes. Some cute details. If you do poorly with the bow during the intro mission in crysis 3, Psycho will say 'Alcatraz would have made that shot.'
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qu4ntumcapacitor Feb 7, 2020 @ 9:30am 
I'm sorry for these quite erratic thoughts as well as my not so flawless english. The amount of theories, questions, unanswered things and the overall capability to interpret so much more into a video game story is truly infinite ;)



Putting the nearly dead Alcatraz into the nanosuit has saved his life. (At first..) The suit repairs his body because for now it's just a improved tool for combat. The ability to store the users memories or even the whole mind is basically just like handing over video tapes.

I think it can be seen in some cut scenes when the suit shuts down and has to reboot vital functions or tells you to defibrilate yourself. You see the Body with information about damaged body parts. Now the suit repairs him with ceph/nano stuff so there is no need for the suit to keep a mortal bag of flesh inside but rather convert the human body or just get rid of it. I don't think the suit can stop organic decay or has (as it has Prophet steering and neurotransmitters to enable suit modes

Several ribs and even his spine and whatnot gets replaced with ceph/nano material instead of human tissue. Alcatraz' physical fleshy body inside the suit gets gets dismantled.

Alcatratz' would have died anyway but prophet utilized him for good because at the beginning of crysis 2 the suit is just a suit. The fact that Alcatratz doesn't talk may be a hint that his mind is allready or almost dead.

The simbiotic functioning of the suit also enables somewhat like a copy of its wearers mind. Prohets mind is allready conserved in the suit when he rescues Alcatraz. That's why he can experience prophets flashbacks and his mind basically commands you the whole time. But what happens to Alcatratz' mind? It seems that it takes quite some time to fully connect to the suit like prophet did. Prophets mind is in the suit itself so probably he maybe didn't even revived Alcatraz' mind to avoid him being concious again and completely freak out.*

I think it's also the reason why the ceph next to the spear observes him instead of killing him instantly. They recognice the suit as a semi-ceph lifeform.


In the end of Crysis 2 nothing of Alcatraz is left. Prophet - just some bits & bites inside the suits cpu/hdd so he is{/b] the suit and just acts like the suit did before- either he suppresses A's mind / prevented it from transfering into the suits memory because he's a jerk OR the advanced nano suit simply replaced/dissolved A's dead body parts wich of course involve his brain.



One last thing:
The name "Alcatraz" itself.. Sure the suit is/was his prison but i've read somewhere that all the events in Crysis 2 are happening within only two days of real time. Being 2 days prisoned inside the suit just to adopt a new personality or get erased sounds stupid. He has to be somewhere.

funfact: each name of the raptor team soldiers has some sort of meaning.



maximum mess.
Vassago Rain Feb 7, 2020 @ 12:14pm 
That's correct. Crysis 2 and 3 were cinematic experiences with actual seriously serious writing years before mainstream media ran the term into the ground with jokes like the Order 1886, and it's a shame so few people gave the games a serious thought or try.

Alcatraz, being the host, falls into a sleep, but never actually goes away. It's how the merger you play in crysis 3 can seemingly call upon his vast skills and training, and much, much closer physical affinity with the suit, none of which Barnes ever had, as if on instinct or reflex. It's part of the whole, but Alcatraz isn't conscious, Barnes is dead, SECOND is an advanced computer, and the nanosuit 2.0 itself is almost organic in a sense by the end, after the inhibitors are lifted. None of the components involved could have ever predicted the outcome, and all of them would have likely refused to be part of it if they'd known, but it makes for great, if somewhat morbid, storytelling.
qu4ntumcapacitor Feb 7, 2020 @ 2:33pm 
Ahh okay. But Prophet traded "being human" for new suit enhancements to achive godlike power like the alpha ceph to defeat him. Aren't these like mechanical features? Are the features more like abilities we see in earths wildlife?

I've played C3 and some missions from C2 recently and took the time to collect all data and read every ingame info and dozens of fandom wiki pages to experience as much given content as possible. There are still gaps or just wrong conclusions or dumb thoughts and theories about specific content, events, what could happen after C3..

The amount of information stuffed into the players head within a few hours is just overwelming and maby too much. Who even collects all e-mails/story information or cares about all the feasible sientific information. The majority of people will just plow their way through the story, have fun, enjoy the bombastic world saving and say it's a great game because x y z.

(who remembers the audio data containing the mascot bear who tells us how great CELL is?) They are are world dominating network with a ring of laserbeam satelites around the globe but this was absolutely cringy and funny. Some Announcement files praising their role as power supplier also felt like some hipster company took over the mall speakers..
Vassago Rain Feb 7, 2020 @ 4:02pm 
Originally posted by Qu4rkey:
Ahh okay. But Prophet traded "being human" for new suit enhancements to achive godlike power like the alpha ceph to defeat him. Aren't these like mechanical features? Are the features more like abilities we see in earths wildlife?

I've played C3 and some missions from C2 recently and took the time to collect all data and read every ingame info and dozens of fandom wiki pages to experience as much given content as possible. There are still gaps or just wrong conclusions or dumb thoughts and theories about specific content, events, what could happen after C3..

The amount of information stuffed into the players head within a few hours is just overwelming and maby too much. Who even collects all e-mails/story information or cares about all the feasible sientific information. The majority of people will just plow their way through the story, have fun, enjoy the bombastic world saving and say it's a great game because x y z.

(who remembers the audio data containing the mascot bear who tells us how great CELL is?) They are are world dominating network with a ring of laserbeam satelites around the globe but this was absolutely cringy and funny. Some Announcement files praising their role as power supplier also felt like some hipster company took over the mall speakers..

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in the world who did all of that, but I also read the crysis 2 book, and am writing giant walls of text about a game that allegedly has no story on steam, while replaying both games frequently to this day, so hey.

As for the extra 'features,' when Prophet, aka Barnes, wears the suit, he simply wears the suit. When Alcatraz wears it, he's interfacing with it directly, because he doesn't have the undersuit to protect his body from assimilation. They also tune and diagnose what the suit's doing to him during the mission before the not-Crytek boss badguy arrests Alcatraz, and later still, the suit gets further tuning and interfacing instructions by directly connecting with ceph structures, as well as Hargreave kinda sorta hacking into it remotely when he feels like it.

After that, it starts to evolve, learn, and adapt, to the point where future interfacing actually destroys ceph structures, rather than the suit taking damage, and even later, after Hargreave's plan to steal it back fails, he gives Alcatraz the Tunguska iteration, "the key to all gates," which is like a firmware update in syringe form that greatly accelerates and enhances the post-human process. The moment he takes the syringe, Alcatraz, as he existed, was as dead as Barnes, and the mission from there on is find an entry point into a ceph superstructure, erasing it by plugging in. Afterwards, all that remains of Barnes, Alcatraz, SECOND, and the suit is the entity called Prophet. As Hargreave says, death's simply an inconvenience, aptly demonstrated by two men dying, but still somehow existing forever as part of the new post-human warrior.

In crysis 3, it gets gets further tuning, then during the skinning lab mission, they unlock the last inhibitors on the systems, but it'll take time for them to 'grow.' The suit, by that point, gains replication, mimicry, and self-repair abilities like that of a living being, and then some. After you go to space, crash through the atmosphere like Shadow the hedgehog, and Prophet's just chilling on the island, they show that the 'suit' now looks like an actual man, with Alcatraz's build, Barne's face, and piercing blue eyes. It can take any form it wants, including covering itself in fake clothes. He throws the dog tags in the ocean if you get the best ending, cloaks, and repeats his catch phrase, then it's over.

The best parts of crysis 2 and 3 are the narration, writing, and soundtracks. The voice acting, especially, is superb. Everything Hargreave says is a quote in itself.
Ceejay Feb 7, 2020 @ 6:14pm 
If you take Crysis:Escalation as canon, which is seems to be. Then Alcatraz's personallity is actually still intact after the events of 2.

From the wiki :

In Crysis: Escalation, Alcatraz fights Prophet for control of his body. At times Prophet blanks out and wakes up in a different location, long periods of time later. Alcatraz takes the Nanosuited body to New Jersey, where his little sister, Alice, is in an abusive foster home. Prophet regains control shortly before Alice's foster father comes in. He raises his hand and almost hits her before Prophet intervenes. Prophet grabs the foster father by the jaw, almost crushing it, and tells him that if he doesn't take better care of Alice and any other kids under his care, he will end him. Alice compares him to an angel before Prophet leaves.

Prophet awakens during a radio communication with Karl Ernst Rasch, who claims to be able to help him. Prophet says that if he really wants to help, he should keep CELL out of his way, before ending the communication. A remnant of Alcatraz's personality appeared before Prophet, asking who Alcatraz was to Prophet. He asked if he was just a zombie that carries Prophet, if he's just a weapon system for which Prophet is an operating system. Alcatraz says that he is a nervous system that Prophet is using to absorb the pain of being shot and stabbed. He then says that he is the armor before disappearing. Later, Alcatraz takes the body to a mental institution, where his mother is strapped to a bed. When Prophet regains control, he notices he is cloaked but Alcatraz's mother can still see him. She looks up at him and says, "You're not my son." Prophet tells her that Alcatraz was killed in action in New York. She asks if the violence is how the demons got into Alcatraz, saying that the doctors tried to put demons in her through the needles and pills, but her faith was too strong. She told him to get out of her son's body before Prophet leaves.

Later, Prophet has a vision of himself sitting across a table from Alcatraz, who thought it was time for them to talk. Alcatraz says that he wants his body back. Prophet says that Alcatraz is dead, to which Alcatraz responds that it makes them equal. Alcatraz goes on to say that he watched Prophet put a bullet in his head, but he was born with the body that they were both inhabiting. Alcatraz said that he could be a ghost, or a partially erased program, or maybe he's just having a breakdown. He then asked what Prophet thought he was. Before the Nanosuit entity could respond, Alcatraz said that Laurence Barnes is dead. He said that he could have died when he first put on the suit, or when he killed himself. He said that Prophet is only a ghost in a stolen corpse. Prophet said that he needed the body to hunt down and defeat the Ceph. Alcatraz claimed that they finished the job in New York, but Prophet told him that he knew that wasn't true. Prophet asked Alcatraz if he wanted to fight the coming war with the Ceph. He said that it was Alcatraz's body but if he really wanted it back, he would have taken it. Defeated, the Marine shook hands with the former Army Ranger before Prophet woke up in the real world, in a graveyard. He knew that the suit knew there was something wrong with its CPU. He wondered if the suit found a way to fix it, or if it simply chose which personality it wanted to control it. He looked down at the gravestone of Alcatraz's father and he heard the Marine's last words ringing in his head. "They called me Alcatraz. Remember me."

I am getting deja vu on this whole conversation :p
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dallas Feb 7, 2020 @ 7:00pm 
the texts are way too long bros
Vassago Rain Feb 7, 2020 @ 9:28pm 
Originally posted by WOLFGANG NEED FOOD! NOW!:
the texts are way too long bros

You should check out my rants about deus ex. They are even longer.
qu4ntumcapacitor Feb 7, 2020 @ 9:46pm 
Thanks for this summary Vassago Rain. :)

Yeah Crysis 2 is dark and uncomfortable. The menu track is awesome but so weird and also a bit sad. Especially the missions at night or just without sunlight in combination with the music and the ongoing feel that earth is doomed (when played the first time ^^) creates a high Immersion. one time the first big amount of ceph on the levitating central park made me act carefully and planned my stradegy to die not even once. The music for this mission also was fantastic and intensified the constricting feel.

This distinguishes Crysis from generic games.


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