A little question...

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Am i playing as the Suit or as Alcatraz?

[Ceejay]

This has been discussed loads, not sure we actually came to an agreement, personally I think the suit is alcatraz, anyone who wears it slowly gets turned into alcatraz, hence the end of crysis 3.

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Wait you mean prophet? My question is different, I mean, am I playing really as a half dead marine in a suit, or as a symbiotic suit that is using an half dead marine? 'Cause it's strange to be able to use the defibrillator when you're actually dead o.O
Or am i playing both when the suit gets turned off?

[Ceejay]

Originally posted by PBSXx_Sk8er-boi_xX2000:

Wait you mean prophet? My question is different, I mean, am I playing really as a half dead marine in a suit, or as a symbiotic suit that is using an half dead marine? 'Cause it's strange to be able to use the defibrillator when you're actually dead o.O
Or am i playing both when the suit gets turned off?

Yep sorry I meant prophet, glad you understaood what I meant :)
Even by the end of 2 your sounding like prophet, even though when you get in the suit, your Alcatraz. So personaly I think really as soon as someone puts it on, the suit starts to take them over, and you slowly go from playing the initial individual (in this case alcatraz) to playing prophet as the game goes on.

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Yeah, i know that man, but the question was "if I am playing as the suit", like you never been Alcatraz at start, but just the suit with another host...

[Ceejay]

As I say I think its more a combination of the two, I think initially you are alcatraz when you first put it on, however during the course of the game, the suit slowly takes you over, so eventually you are playing just the suit, you just do not notice as its a slow process. Once the host gets too injured the suit finds another host and the cycle starts again,

Almost like a parasite, hmm, kind of changes the whole view of the game, your actually in control of a murderous cybernetic parasidic suit, which eats/absorbs and transforms whichever poor sod puts on the suit :p

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This is some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥ man, hope one day we can see a Crysis 4.

[Ocelote.12]

I think you're Alcatraz , with some interactions with the "ghost" of Prophet stored inside the suit's memory, till the end of the game, when Alcatraz's personality gets too damaged after severe internal damages and the "ghost duplicate" of Prophet's personality takes over.

[Ceejay]

Originally posted by Ur-Quan12:

I think you're Alcatraz , with some interactions with the "ghost" of Prophet stored inside the suit's memory, till the end of the game, when Alcatraz's personality gets too damaged after severe internal damages and the "ghost duplicate" of Prophet's personality takes over.

its not just his personality though, when they suit merges fully with the physical body at the end of crysis 3 you actually are prophet, so you also get physically changed.

Just discovered there is a book called Crysis:escalation that goes into the the stuggle Alcatraz has fighting prophet for control of his body. It gets rather deep with them both questioning whether they actually died as soon as they put the suit on etc.

I may have to read it, here is the wiki entry for it.

http://crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Alcatraz

In Crysis: Escalation, Alcatraz fights Prophet for control of his body. At times Prophet blanks out and wakes up in a different location, long periods of time later. Alcatraz takes the Nanosuited body to New Jersey, where his little sister, Alice, is in an abusive foster home. Prophet regains control shortly before Alice's foster father comes in. He raises his hand and almost hits her before Prophet intervenes. Prophet grabs the foster father by the jaw, almost crushing it, and tells him that if he doesn't take better care of Alice and any other kids under his care, he will end him. Alice compares him to an angel before Prophet leaves.

Prophet awakens during a radio communication with Karl Ernst Rasch, who claims to be able to help him. Prophet says that if he really wants to help, he should keep CELL out of his way, before ending the communication. A remnant of Alcatraz's personality appeared before Prophet, asking who Alcatraz was to Prophet. He asked if he was just a zombie that carries Prophet, if he's just a weapon system for which Prophet is an operating system. Alcatraz says that he is a nervous system that Prophet is using to absorb the pain of being shot and stabbed. He then says that he is the armor before disappearing. Later, Alcatraz takes the body to a mental institution, where his mother is strapped to a bed. When Prophet regains control, he notices he is cloaked but Alcatraz's mother can still see him. She looks up at him and says, "You're not my son." Prophet tells her that Alcatraz was killed in action in New York. She asks if the violence is how the demons got into Alcatraz, saying that the doctors tried to put demons in her through the needles and pills, but her faith was too strong. She told him to get out of her son's body before Prophet leaves.

Later, Prophet has a vision of himself sitting across a table from Alcatraz, who thought it was time for them to talk. Alcatraz says that he wants his body back. Prophet says that Alcatraz is dead, to which Alcatraz responds that it makes them equal. Alcatraz goes on to say that he watched Prophet put a bullet in his head, but he was born with the body that they were both inhabiting. Alcatraz said that he could be a ghost, or a partially erased program, or maybe he's just having a breakdown. He then asked what Prophet thought he was. Before the Nanosuit entity could respond, Alcatraz said that Laurence Barnes is dead. He said that he could have died when he first put on the suit, or when he killed himself. He said that Prophet is only a ghost in a stolen corpse. Prophet said that he needed the body to hunt down and defeat the Ceph. Alcatraz claimed that they finished the job in New York, but Prophet told him that he knew that wasn't true. Prophet asked Alcatraz if he wanted to fight the coming war with the Ceph. He said that it was Alcatraz's body but if he really wanted it back, he would have taken it. Defeated, the Marine shook hands with the former Army Ranger before Prophet woke up in the real world, in a graveyard. He knew that the suit knew there was something wrong with its CPU. He wondered if the suit found a way to fix it, or if it simply chose which personality it wanted to control it. He looked down at the gravestone of Alcatraz's father and he heard the Marine's last words ringing in his head. "They called me Alcatraz. Remember me."

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[Gabi]

Originally posted by PBSXx_Sk8er-boi_xX2000:

Am i playing as the Suit or as Alcatraz?

The intention of crysis 2 was you where playing as Alcatraz, hence why you start as him without the suit. The idea being this meek weak human about to die, but within the suit being an unstoppable force was a fun dynamic they played with.

You are clearly not playing the suit, but you are slowly becoming one with the suit and having your memories overwritten with Prophets as per Crysis 3 (I actually didn't like this aspect at all).

[Gabi]

Originally posted by Ceejay:

Originally posted by Ur-Quan12:

I think you're Alcatraz , with some interactions with the "ghost" of Prophet stored inside the suit's memory, till the end of the game, when Alcatraz's personality gets too damaged after severe internal damages and the "ghost duplicate" of Prophet's personality takes over.

its not just his personality though, when they suit merges fully with the physical body at the end of crysis 3 you actually are prophet, so you also get physically changed.

Just discovered there is a book called Crysis:escalation that goes into the the stuggle Alcatraz has fighting prophet for control of his body. It gets rather deep with them both questioning whether they actually died as soon as they put the suit on etc.

I may have to read it, here is the wiki entry for it.

http://crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Alcatraz

In Crysis: Escalation, Alcatraz fights Prophet for control of his body. At times Prophet blanks out and wakes up in a different location, long periods of time later. Alcatraz takes the Nanosuited body to New Jersey, where his little sister, Alice, is in an abusive foster home. Prophet regains control shortly before Alice's foster father comes in. He raises his hand and almost hits her before Prophet intervenes. Prophet grabs the foster father by the jaw, almost crushing it, and tells him that if he doesn't take better care of Alice and any other kids under his care, he will end him. Alice compares him to an angel before Prophet leaves.

Prophet awakens during a radio communication with Karl Ernst Rasch, who claims to be able to help him. Prophet says that if he really wants to help, he should keep CELL out of his way, before ending the communication. A remnant of Alcatraz's personality appeared before Prophet, asking who Alcatraz was to Prophet. He asked if he was just a zombie that carries Prophet, if he's just a weapon system for which Prophet is an operating system. Alcatraz says that he is a nervous system that Prophet is using to absorb the pain of being shot and stabbed. He then says that he is the armor before disappearing. Later, Alcatraz takes the body to a mental institution, where his mother is strapped to a bed. When Prophet regains control, he notices he is cloaked but Alcatraz's mother can still see him. She looks up at him and says, "You're not my son." Prophet tells her that Alcatraz was killed in action in New York. She asks if the violence is how the demons got into Alcatraz, saying that the doctors tried to put demons in her through the needles and pills, but her faith was too strong. She told him to get out of her son's body before Prophet leaves.

Later, Prophet has a vision of himself sitting across a table from Alcatraz, who thought it was time for them to talk. Alcatraz says that he wants his body back. Prophet says that Alcatraz is dead, to which Alcatraz responds that it makes them equal. Alcatraz goes on to say that he watched Prophet put a bullet in his head, but he was born with the body that they were both inhabiting. Alcatraz said that he could be a ghost, or a partially erased program, or maybe he's just having a breakdown. He then asked what Prophet thought he was. Before the Nanosuit entity could respond, Alcatraz said that Laurence Barnes is dead. He said that he could have died when he first put on the suit, or when he killed himself. He said that Prophet is only a ghost in a stolen corpse. Prophet said that he needed the body to hunt down and defeat the Ceph. Alcatraz claimed that they finished the job in New York, but Prophet told him that he knew that wasn't true. Prophet asked Alcatraz if he wanted to fight the coming war with the Ceph. He said that it was Alcatraz's body but if he really wanted it back, he would have taken it. Defeated, the Marine shook hands with the former Army Ranger before Prophet woke up in the real world, in a graveyard. He knew that the suit knew there was something wrong with its CPU. He wondered if the suit found a way to fix it, or if it simply chose which personality it wanted to control it. He looked down at the gravestone of Alcatraz's father and he heard the Marine's last words ringing in his head. "They called me Alcatraz. Remember me."

You see this would have made it work better, but I shouldn't have to go to outside sources to like something so fundamental to the final entry in a game series. Such a shame.

[dam]

Originally posted by Gabi:

Originally posted by Ceejay:

its not just his personality though, when they suit merges fully with the physical body at the end of crysis 3 you actually are prophet, so you also get physically changed.

Just discovered there is a book called Crysis:escalation that goes into the the stuggle Alcatraz has fighting prophet for control of his body. It gets rather deep with them both questioning whether they actually died as soon as they put the suit on etc.

I may have to read it, here is the wiki entry for it.

http://crysis.wikia.com/wiki/Alcatraz

In Crysis: Escalation, Alcatraz fights Prophet for control of his body. At times Prophet blanks out and wakes up in a different location, long periods of time later. Alcatraz takes the Nanosuited body to New Jersey, where his little sister, Alice, is in an abusive foster home. Prophet regains control shortly before Alice's foster father comes in. He raises his hand and almost hits her before Prophet intervenes. Prophet grabs the foster father by the jaw, almost crushing it, and tells him that if he doesn't take better care of Alice and any other kids under his care, he will end him. Alice compares him to an angel before Prophet leaves.

Prophet awakens during a radio communication with Karl Ernst Rasch, who claims to be able to help him. Prophet says that if he really wants to help, he should keep CELL out of his way, before ending the communication. A remnant of Alcatraz's personality appeared before Prophet, asking who Alcatraz was to Prophet. He asked if he was just a zombie that carries Prophet, if he's just a weapon system for which Prophet is an operating system. Alcatraz says that he is a nervous system that Prophet is using to absorb the pain of being shot and stabbed. He then says that he is the armor before disappearing. Later, Alcatraz takes the body to a mental institution, where his mother is strapped to a bed. When Prophet regains control, he notices he is cloaked but Alcatraz's mother can still see him. She looks up at him and says, "You're not my son." Prophet tells her that Alcatraz was killed in action in New York. She asks if the violence is how the demons got into Alcatraz, saying that the doctors tried to put demons in her through the needles and pills, but her faith was too strong. She told him to get out of her son's body before Prophet leaves.

Later, Prophet has a vision of himself sitting across a table from Alcatraz, who thought it was time for them to talk. Alcatraz says that he wants his body back. Prophet says that Alcatraz is dead, to which Alcatraz responds that it makes them equal. Alcatraz goes on to say that he watched Prophet put a bullet in his head, but he was born with the body that they were both inhabiting. Alcatraz said that he could be a ghost, or a partially erased program, or maybe he's just having a breakdown. He then asked what Prophet thought he was. Before the Nanosuit entity could respond, Alcatraz said that Laurence Barnes is dead. He said that he could have died when he first put on the suit, or when he killed himself. He said that Prophet is only a ghost in a stolen corpse. Prophet said that he needed the body to hunt down and defeat the Ceph. Alcatraz claimed that they finished the job in New York, but Prophet told him that he knew that wasn't true. Prophet asked Alcatraz if he wanted to fight the coming war with the Ceph. He said that it was Alcatraz's body but if he really wanted it back, he would have taken it. Defeated, the Marine shook hands with the former Army Ranger before Prophet woke up in the real world, in a graveyard. He knew that the suit knew there was something wrong with its CPU. He wondered if the suit found a way to fix it, or if it simply chose which personality it wanted to control it. He looked down at the gravestone of Alcatraz's father and he heard the Marine's last words ringing in his head. "They called me Alcatraz. Remember me."

You see this would have made it work better, but I shouldn't have to go to outside sources to like something so fundamental to the final entry in a game series. Such a shame.

Yeah, that's true