Alan Wake
Confused about Alan Wake ending?
i am confused about the ending, it doesnt explain what happened to anyone and it shows a random guy behind rose and what alan says at the end does it mean theres gonna be a sequal?
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That "random guy" behind Rose is a Robert Nightingale.

TheAwkwardTurtle eredeti hozzászólása:
gonna be a sequal?
hope so :Light:
Legutóbb szerkesztette: leggo; 2013. okt. 14., 15:20
TheAwkwardTurtle eredeti hozzászólása:
t doesnt explain what happened to anyone

The most common interpretation is that Alan simply took Alice's place. She's freed from the dark place (this is why you see her swimming to the surface and climbing onto the dock). Unfortunately, she doesn't appear to know that Alan is now trapped in the cabin.

The remainder of this post is just my interpretation.

He has driven the darkness back for now but not killed it. He sits down at the desk with the intention of finishing the story (The scene you're referring to that shows the Anderson brothers, the trailer park manager, Rose, and Agent Nightingale, etc. could be a new part of the story).

Hard to even try to explain Mr. Scratch. It could be that he was written into the story by either Wake or Zane and meant to return to the surface and live in Wake's stead, but there doesn't seem to be any point in such an action. I would say that it's suggesting that since the darkness can no longer use Barbara Jagger's body as its shell, it's taken Alan's body instead, But that would require assuming Thomas Zane was simply using Alan to free Jagger's body from the clutches of the dark presence, because he introduces Mr. Scratch without emotion. But at least this wouldn't be out of character for Zane.

Theory on "It's not a lake, it's an ocean"

The statement is literal, not metaphorical. Cauldron Lake is literally an ocean, just turned on its side. It's deep, possibly extending to the center of the Earth itself, which would explain the water being so dark as well as the general abnormality of it (If you believe in Hell and possibly that this is where it's located, thinking of the "lake" as a connection between Hell and Earth makes plenty of sense).

I believe Sam Lake (of Remedy) said they intended to come back with more Alan Wake at some point, but it won't be anytime soon as they're making a new game now called Quantum Break. But did you play the two DLCs ("The Signal" and "The Writer")? I'd recommend you play these two if you enjoyed the original game. They pick up from the original game's ending. They don't progress the storyline, but they're still very enjoyable experiences.

You might also check out Alan Wake's American Nightmare. It's a spin-off from the original game and not considered a true sequel to the official storyline but still very interesting and memorable in its own right.
Vic 2.0 eredeti hozzászólása:
Theory on "It's not a lake, it's an ocean"

The statement is literal, not metaphorical. Cauldron Lake is literally an ocean, just turned on its side. It's deep, possibly extending to the center of the Earth itself, which would explain the water being so dark as well as the general abnormality of it (If you believe in Hell and possibly that this is where it's located, thinking of the "lake" as a connection between Hell and Earth makes plenty of sense).

I agree with almost everything you said, but I have to interject my own idea here. I agree that this statement is to be taken litteraly; But I belive that this world (I belive refered to as the 'dark place' in american nightmare) is actualy a different universe or demention that intersects with ours at certan locations. This would honestly make a bit more sence, because a litteral pit of water going to the center of the earth wouldn't make any scientific sence, or explain how it also exits in the midwestern US in america; and it would certanly have been discovered by the extensive mineing operations in the area, either by accedentaly digging into it, or in geological survays for mineral deposites.

Also, as far a mister scratch is concerned, american nightmare ties in with that. I personaly think that scratch is the dark side of wake that was left behind when he escaped from cauldren lake. Because if he just wrote himself out, wounldn't the same thing that happend to barbra happen to him? By leaving a dark imprent or ghost of himself, it would allow the balance that the writing seems to require.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Shadow of Avalar; 2013. okt. 14., 17:57
Play episode 1 and 2, they're quicker paced, and offer some more interesting insights/confusion haha.

(spoiler) They also hint a bit more at Alan hiding from something he's done himself, that he is actually insane/ a piece of his mind, trying to avoid responsibility for either something he's done to Alice, or he's had a meltdown from the pressure of having to write a sequel, or both, and is trying to escape within his mind, which is what I assumed from early on in the game. The thing is there's multiple allusions in the game to each of these scenarios (eg hints that his relationship with Alice was falling apart (eg when their home is literally turned upside down) and that he was drug dependend, coffee thermoses (insomnia?), also his books falling from the sky, cardboard standees, etc etc), coupled with a constant insistence that it is all real.
I haven't thought about it too much, because they left it open on purpose I'm sure, and also I've only had one playthrough so haven't kept an eye on everything. Most opinion on the net seems to be that these fantastical occurences are real threats that Alan faces/ that the darkness is an external force, but personally I think it's much darker if it's not real. Which suits Sam Lake's writnig style I think (think Max Payne style depressing stuff).

I'm sure you'll get plenty of opinions from other scholars though ;)
psn_sega651 eredeti hozzászólása:
I agree with almost everything you said, but I have to interject my own idea here. I agree that this statement is to be taken litteraly; But I belive that this world (I belive refered to as the 'dark place' in american nightmare) is actualy a different universe or demention that intersects with ours at certan locations. This would honestly make a bit more sence, because a litteral pit of water going to the center of the earth wouldn't make any scientific sence, or explain how it also exits in the midwestern US in america; and it would certanly have been discovered by the extensive mineing operations in the area, either by accedentaly digging into it, or in geological survays for mineral deposites.

It wouldn't be too hard for the dark presence to hide just how deep this "lake" goes, and of course the idea of an alternate dimension or universe is every bit as scientifically unfounded. I suppose either theory would amount to the same story and gameplay, though, and for this reason they'll probably never spell it out which theory is correct. This is fine by me, but I know some critics of the game who will continue to nitpick things like this to death!

psn_sega651 eredeti hozzászólása:
Also, as far a mister scratch is concerned, american nightmare ties in with that. I personaly think that scratch is the dark side of wake that was left behind when he escaped from cauldren lake. Because if he just wrote himself out, wounldn't the same thing that happend to barbra happen to him? By leaving a dark imprent or ghost of himself, it would allow the balance that the writing seems to require.

Well assuming they go with the American Nightmare version of Mr. Scratch when continuing the official storyline (most people interpret the way AWAN was introduced by Remedy to mean it's not a true sequel), your theory makes plenty of sense.

I would still love it if they made Alan Wake 2 (or whatever they call it) a matter of Alice now being the one trying to save Alan from the dark place! And it would be interesting to see how Alan writes to juggle both the need for balance and his love for his wife, which would demand both that her goals are threatened and that she doesn't die. They could really capitalize on that.
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TheAwkwardTurtle eredeti hozzászólása:
t doesnt explain what happened to anyone

The most common interpretation is that Alan simply took Alice's place. She's freed from the dark place (this is why you see her swimming to the surface and climbing onto the dock). Unfortunately, she doesn't appear to know that Alan is now trapped in the cabin.

The remainder of this post is just my interpretation.

He has driven the darkness back for now but not killed it. He sits down at the desk with the intention of finishing the story (The scene you're referring to that shows the Anderson brothers, the trailer park manager, Rose, and Agent Nightingale, etc. could be a new part of the story).

Hard to even try to explain Mr. Scratch. It could be that he was written into the story by either Wake or Zane and meant to return to the surface and live in Wake's stead, but there doesn't seem to be any point in such an action. I would say that it's suggesting that since the darkness can no longer use Barbara Jagger's body as its shell, it's taken Alan's body instead, But that would require assuming Thomas Zane was simply using Alan to free Jagger's body from the clutches of the dark presence, because he introduces Mr. Scratch without emotion. But at least this wouldn't be out of character for Zane.

My interpretation was that Alan did take Alice's place in the dark place. So Alice was free from it at the end.

But I believed that it was Agent Nightingale that took Barbara Jagger's place, as the "new face" the darkness would wear. I thought this because of the ending scene when he was standing behind Rose. Rose was controlled by Barbara, now she is being controlled by Nightingale.

Thomas Zane clearly explained the reasoning behind Mr.Scratch. He says to Alan, "Oh, don't mind him. This is Mr.Scratch, your friends will come to know him while your gone." Or something like that, Zane said.

This rings true, as you play American Nightmare. Which I did not personally count as a sequal either, as it seems most people don't. But as the story for that game went on, you see the point of Mr. Scratch was just generally to make Alan look bad. Which it said in that game that there already were rumors about, "Bad, Crazy, Alan Wake..." Mr.Scratch just made those rumors true. Also in the frist game you do get a scene that Alan did have a bit of a bad reputation. As Barry stated, "I don't need a repeat of that thing with the paparazzi." Or something along those lines.

But as that game ends, with Alan and Alice being together again. I wasn't sure if it was real, or her movie that was being shown. Either way I also would love to see a true sequal for this game.
I'd just like to thank everyone help me understand the ending in all your own percpectives :) and im still kinda annoyed that the sequel wont be for a while but im sure quantum break will be amazing, thanks again :D
Tachs86 eredeti hozzászólása:
But I believed that it was Agent Nightingale that took Barbara Jagger's place, as the "new face" the darkness would wear. I thought this because of the ending scene when he was standing behind Rose. Rose was controlled by Barbara, now she is being controlled by Nightingale.

While I agree that it's most likely that Nightingale is the new Barbara. I would think it makes more sense that Rose is the new Cynthia than her being controlled by him. She is holding a lantern in broad daylight, after all.
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