Alan Wake 2 Looks amazing but its really sad that its only on epic games store.

[HMS]

Remedy if you're reading this i hope it was worth it asking Epic to publish your game because you know damn well your pc sales are going to be trash until its on steam store.

[ALEN]

It doesn't even have to be steam specifically, they could release the game (obviously after one year exclusivity, which is understandable since they funded the game) in any pc store and people would buy it.

[Cyber Nyran]

well looks like im waiting for a whole year to play Alan wake 2 then lol, im never buying a game on epic again.

[[{******---Dead4Life---******}]]

I WAS THINKING I'LL NEVER SAY IT BUT: I MUST BUY ON EPIC!
AAAAAHHHHHH

[Cyber Nyran]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Cyber Nyran:

well looks like im waiting for a whole year to play Alan wake 2 then lol, im never buying a game on epic again.

Waiting for Alan Wake 2 to come to Steam is like waiting for Half Life 2 to come to any other store that isn't Steam.

well. thats the only way im buying it. Im not getting coerced to get it on Epic. Im happy Remedy got their 10 million to help pay for costs. Thats great.

[animal_PLANET]

Originally posted by Cyber Nyran:

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Waiting for Alan Wake 2 to come to Steam is like waiting for Half Life 2 to come to any other store that isn't Steam.

well. thats the only way im buying it. Im not getting coerced to get it on Epic. Im happy Remedy got their 10 million to help pay for costs. Thats great.

That 10 million was to make Control an EGS exclusive for a year.

The budget for AW 2 most likely far exceeds that. From previous interviews with Sam Lake years ago. I believe he said they wanted a budget of around $50 million for AW 2. As they wanted to expand upon it greatly.

Obviously we dont know the details yet for AW 2 but I'm sure EGS is covering a lot for this game to be in production. As I'm sure Sam Lake and Remedy would not settle for anything less so they didnt release a half A** product. Thats why it took so long to come out.

[Dynamonic]

Unfortunately, as Alan Wake 2 is directly funded and published by Epic Games, it's unlikely to EVER see a Steam release and will remain a permanent Epic Games Store exclusive.

[Timedye]

Look, it sucks that the game is an Epic exclusive on PC. But the only reason the game is even getting made is because Epic agreed to finance and publish the thing. Remedy reached out to other publishers after Microsoft passed in favor of Quantum Break, and no one else wanted to finance the thing. Years passed, and finally Epic stepped in.

So there's one of two options here: either the game never got made, or the game got made with the backing of Epic.

If you want to support Remedy, buy it on Epic or on console (Alan Wake II will be the only game I've ever purchased on Epic, because I want to support the people that made the game possible).

If you insist on sailing the high seas to play this game, fine. But know that you're directly contributing to making it harder for another Alan Wake game to get made later, as further stories in this series are contingent on the game making money for Epic. If the game flops, Remedy will have to find another publisher to finance a third game.

[Aralous]

I would rather there not be an alan wake 2 than for epic to have sole rights to it. I'll be ok with it if they bring it to Steam after a year which has happened to others, but not releasing it on steam at all is a huge kick in the balls to the fan base

[EXtremist]

They are idiots

They gave their Max Payne to Rockstar
& their Quantum Break to the Microsoft
& Now, their Alan Wake to Epic games
They never take a lesson

Epic bought it with Fortnited Money
It is about their imaginary competition against Valve which they never win
Just wait until Fortnite's death
There won't be any EGS anymore

I think Nintendo will coming to Steam soon
Like Playstation, Microsoft, EA, Blizzard , and ofc Infamous Ubisoft (after what they did with Anno 1800 before leaving steam for Epic)

[Aralous]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Timedye:

Look, it sucks that the game is an Epic exclusive on PC. But the only reason the game is even getting made is because Epic agreed to finance and publish the thing. Remedy reached out to other publishers after Microsoft passed in favor of Quantum Break, and no one else wanted to finance the thing. Years passed, and finally Epic stepped in.

So there's one of two options here: either the game never got made, or the game got made with the backing of Epic.

If you want to support Remedy, buy it on Epic or on console (Alan Wake II will be the only game I've ever purchased on Epic, because I want to support the people that made the game possible).

If you insist on sailing the high seas to play this game, fine. But know that you're directly contributing to making it harder for another Alan Wake game to get made later, as further stories in this series are contingent on the game making money for Epic. If the game flops, Remedy will have to find another publisher to finance a third game.

I have seen so many people that have literally stated they would rather the game not exist at all if the game isn't going to be on Steam. That is what it has come down to, people have literally put a store as being far more important than the games are. Its like the Store is the game, and the actual games are just side quests for the Steam store quest.

I have 2 reasons.
1: I prefer my games centralized and am tired of so many companies trying (and usually failing) to make their own platform. I limit myself to Steam and Battlenet. Uplay (or whatever they're calling it these days) gets a pass because it integrates with Steam without me having to do anything else. EA and Ubisoft both crawled back to Steam with their tail between their legs.
2. Epic is anti-competitive. People prefer to use Steam and they know it, therefore the only way they can get people to their platform is by making games exclusive to them for a year or permanently. When has Valve ever forced a developer to be exclusive to Steam? The only games that are Steam exclusive are Valve's own games, most of which came out over a decade ago.

[Aralous]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Aralous:

I have 2 reasons.
1: I prefer my games centralized and am tired of so many companies trying (and usually failing) to make their own platform. I limit myself to Steam and Battlenet. Uplay (or whatever they're calling it these days) gets a pass because it integrates with Steam without me having to do anything else. EA and Ubisoft both crawled back to Steam with their tail between their legs.
2. Epic is anti-competitive. People prefer to use Steam and they know it, therefore the only way they can get people to their platform is by making games exclusive to them for a year or permanently. When has Valve ever forced a developer to be exclusive to Steam? The only games that are Steam exclusive are Valve's own games, most of which came out over a decade ago.

So you are also one of those people that literally believe it is better for a game to not exists at all if it can't be on Steam. So you are showing that Steam is far more important than the games are. Thank you for proving my point. You are a store gamer, and not a PC gamer.

Also, Epic never forced any developer to be exclusive to Epic. Every single game that has ever been exclusive to Epic was due to the developer and publisher making that decision, nobody forced them to make that decision they made. Just like how every developer and publisher that put their games exclusive to Steam chose to do that, nobody forced them to make that decision. And there are a ton of games exclusive to Steam, like Elden Ring, Monster Hunter series, and sooo many more games.

If you want to claim that Epic some how forced developers or publishers to sign such a contract, you are going to need to have significant proof of that kind of force. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

In this case, yes, I would rather Alan Wake 2 not exist than for it to not be available on the platform that made it popular in the first place. I don't want to be forced to make a new account with some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ platform just to play a game that should be made available on my current platform anyway.

I'm not saying Epic forced in the sense that they strong armed them, I'm saying that once the contract is signed the developer is forced to only sell through Epic for XX amount of time. Borderlands 3 was exclusive for a year. Total War Saga: Troy was exclusive for a year. They did not have the option to sell on Steam or any other platform for that time period. Nobody is forcing Elden Ring or Monster Hunter or whatever else to publish only on Steam. Valve does not sign exclusivity deals with developers. They don't need to. Because their platform is better. Even GOG didn't make their most popular titles ever (Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk) exclusive to their platform. Epic is only doing it because they know they are unpopular and the only way to lure people over is to hold popular ESTABLISHED franchises hostage.

[Aralous]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Aralous:

In this case, yes, I would rather Alan Wake 2 not exist than for it to not be available on the platform that made it popular in the first place. I don't want to be forced to make a new account with some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ platform just to play a game that should be made available on my current platform anyway.

I'm not saying Epic forced in the sense that they strong armed them, I'm saying that once the contract is signed the developer is forced to only sell through Epic for XX amount of time. Borderlands 3 was exclusive for a year. Total War Saga: Troy was exclusive for a year. They did not have the option to sell on Steam or any other platform for that time period. Nobody is forcing Elden Ring or Monster Hunter or whatever else to publish only on Steam. Valve does not sign exclusivity deals with developers. They don't need to. Because their platform is better. Even GOG didn't make their most popular titles ever (Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk) exclusive to their platform. Epic is only doing it because they know they are unpopular and the only way to lure people over is to hold popular ESTABLISHED franchises hostage.

If a developer signs such a contract, then they are willingly signing the contract knowing full well what the terms are, meaning there is absolutely no force in any sense in any of this at all. It means that a developer choosing to be exclusive to Epic is no different than a developer choosing to be exclusive to Steam, in both cases the result is exactly the same and that result is the consumer is given only one choice to get the game from.

Wishing for a game to not exist just because you don't want to use a different launcher is not a reasonable thing to wish for at all.

It is absolutely different. When a exclusivity deal is signed LEGALLY they cannot have the title on any other platform for the duration of the deal. There is nothing stopping these Steam games from setting up shop on GOG or game pass or even Epic, they just don't bother because they're already hitting the lion's share of the market. And as for this specific case, Remedy didn't exactly have a choice as Epic is the only one who would publish them. This basically gave Epic free reign to dictate the terms and require usage of their platform.

They could just make the game cheaper on Epic. They could have exclusive content or early access on Epic. But they know their platform can't compete with Steam head to head so instead they target franchises that have been on Steam for years and make Epic exclusive (or temporarily exclusive) sequels. I won't pirate it. Maybe it will come out on Steam a year later. Maybe I'll finally upgrade my Xbone to a Series X. Hell I'd even get it if it came out on GOG, I already have an account with them anyways since they offered bonus content for some games just for linking your Steam account. But what I won't do is be forced onto an inferior platform just because they can't come up with any better way of competing with Steam.

[DrgnLive]

I will never spend my money on Epic
They choose the wrong platform!!!

[Aralous]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Aralous:

It is absolutely different. When a exclusivity deal is signed LEGALLY they cannot have the title on any other platform for the duration of the deal.

Which the developer chose for that to happen because of the completive offering. They chose that. But that decision still make absolutely no difference on consumer choice compared to games exclusive to Steam, in both cases the consumer is left with a single choice, making the reason a developer made such a decision absolutely irrelevant.

And as for this specific case, Remedy didn't exactly have a choice as Epic is the only one who would publish them. This basically gave Epic free reign to dictate the terms and require usage of their platform.

As is their right since Epic is the publisher, the whole reason why the game is going to even exist in the first place, and as the publisher who is taking on all the risks for the game. it is no different than Valve having their own games exclusive to their own store.

They could just make the game cheaper on Epic.

Considering 2 different developers are suing Valve for most favored nation clauses, this is unlikely something that Epic could have done.

They could have exclusive content or early access on Epic

Its not an early access game.

But they know their platform can't compete with Steam head to head so instead they target franchises that have been on Steam for years and make Epic exclusive (or temporarily exclusive) sequels.

No different that Valve requiring and only allowing their games on their own store and no other store.

It absolutely makes a difference for consumer choice. The reason they don't bring games to Epic or other non-Steam platforms is because there isn't enough consumer demand for it. Whereas there is always consumer demand for a PC game to be on Steam, but they are choosing to ignore that demand in order to promote their own platform.

Just because Epic has the right to do this, doesn't make it a good decision. And you can't even compare it to Valve. Most Valve games came out way before other store fronts even existed, and they're not even a game developer anymore. Steam wasn't even originally a store front, it was a way to connect players online, same as battlenet. That's ultimately the biggest difference. Valve and Blizz built online clients in order to smoothly connect their players at a time when connecting with your friends online could often be difficult. These clients evolved into storefronts, and Valve saw the opportunity to offer the platform to other developers.

Of course none of this behavior should be much of a surprise, given that Epic is 40% owned by Tencent and 5% owned by Sony. Steam was built by gamers for gamers. Epic Store was funded by Tencent.

[Affronter]

Since EGS have given us so many FREE quality games over the years, I am more than happy to purchase AW2 there.