MUSIC IN THE GAME

[StorM]

I was wondering if anybody knows did Remedy remove licensed music for all users, just the new sold copies or did they extend the license for music in game? I'm asking because I'm sick of those thieves at rockstar that released some "updates" for their older games on steam and completely removed some music from the game for all users (not just for newly purchased copies like they did with Vice City) which should be illegal.

[blorpyRobot aka botsnscience]

Originally posted by rjg:

Removed 20-30% of the music & replaced it

Do you have a source on that? Remedy entertainment tweeted that music rights for songs in the original release were renegotiated:

https://twitter.com/remedygames/status/1055512666318536704



Ars reported the same.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/10/psa-buy-alan-wake-cheap-before-its-removed-from-steam/

[StorM]

Originally posted by Bots_n_SCIENCE!:

Originally posted by rjg:

Removed 20-30% of the music & replaced it

Do you have a source on that? Remedy entertainment tweeted that music rights for songs in the original release were renegotiated:

https://twitter.com/remedygames/status/1055512666318536704



Ars reported the same.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/10/psa-buy-alan-wake-cheap-before-its-removed-from-steam/

Great news! Thank you very much for the info!

[sh9683]

so sad that games are taken down simply because of music, don;t artists realize that music in these games make them MONEY? I would never have bought the music from the artist of songs on this game if not for this game? knowing that this is why Alan wake was taken down for a while makes me regret buying the music, if they want to be greedy they can be homeless for all i care, they don;t deserve the money

[💚SuperMax💚]

You can restore all the songs in all the games where they were removed because of license by simply replacing some game sound files from older versions of the game!

[Kuruseida]

Originally posted by ☢AlieN☢:

You can restore all the songs in all the games where they were removed because of license by simply replacing some game sound files from older versions of the game!

Any hint about the files removed/replaced ?

[StorM]

Originally posted by ☢AlieN☢:

You can restore all the songs in all the games where they were removed because of license by simply replacing some game sound files from older versions of the game!

I know that, but I don't want to do that ou of the principle simply because I BOUGHT the game with real money and music came with the game when I bought it while people with disc versions of the game still have their music on those same games. What rockstar did is illegal by all standards, but somehow they got away with it several times.
What I also don't understand is this:
-Mafia 1 got pulled away from Steam because of expired music licenses and was back on Steam store after 5 years, but without licensed music
-everyone who bought the game prior to removal from Steam still has the full game with licensed music
-take 2 is the owner of rockstar and Mafia, but the games GTA San Andreas, GTA 4 + expansions and Mafia 1 were treated very differently

Originally posted by Shingatsu:

Originally posted by ☢AlieN☢:

You can restore all the songs in all the games where they were removed because of license by simply replacing some game sound files from older versions of the game!

Any hint about the files removed/replaced ?

The other guy literally few posts ago posted this:

https://twitter.com/remedygames/status/1055512666318536704

[Shrek 2 On DVD]

Originally posted by sh9683:

so sad that games are taken down simply because of music, don;t artists realize that music in these games make them MONEY? I would never have bought the music from the artist of songs on this game if not for this game? knowing that this is why Alan wake was taken down for a while makes me regret buying the music, if they want to be greedy they can be homeless for all i care, they don;t deserve the money

This is the reply of someone that knows absolutely nothing about how contracts and licenses work. The game doesn't make them "money" the game provides an IP (intellectual property) that they are contractually obligated to. The contract works both ways. We don't know the details of the licenses either so we can't say that they asked for more money since you decided they were "greedy."

Licenses NEED to be negotiated by law from all parties, This includes the Composer, Remedy, Microsoft and anyone else who lended a hand in this which would be as much as 30 to 40 people, to as little as 3. Any side can hire a Lawyer to represent the interests of the party.

The money from the license is in a percentage of the sale of the product. It's also not limited to "per item" it can be "per time period". Which means some ppl won't see money till that time has passed. We don't know if the percentage was as much as 12% or as little as 2% and we also don't know what it was renegotiated for. The money HAS to go somewhere and as long as there's someone alive from the soundtrack, it needs to be renegotiated every time the license expires. We also don't know how long the license lasts for since this isn't part of the music industry.

Literal Quote from the "Length of Ownership" Law
"Works made for hire (i.e. music made for television or film soundtracks), pseudonymous works and anonymous works are exceptions and last for the shortest of either 95 years following a work's publication or 120 years following a work's creation."

So, we also don't know how long Alan Wake will be on the steam storefront and the only indication is the amount of years the license contract was signed for. Which, again, We do not have a copy of that.

[sh9683]

Originally posted by Lunch Lady:

Originally posted by sh9683:

so sad that games are taken down simply because of music, don;t artists realize that music in these games make them MONEY? I would never have bought the music from the artist of songs on this game if not for this game? knowing that this is why Alan wake was taken down for a while makes me regret buying the music, if they want to be greedy they can be homeless for all i care, they don;t deserve the money

This is the reply of someone that knows absolutely nothing about how contracts and licenses work. The game doesn't make them "money" the game provides an IP (intellectual property) that they are contractually obligated to. The contract works both ways. We don't know the details of the licenses either so we can't say that they asked for more money since you decided they were "greedy."

Licenses NEED to be negotiated by law from all parties, This includes the Composer, Remedy, Microsoft and anyone else who lended a hand in this which would be as much as 30 to 40 people, to as little as 3. Any side can hire a Lawyer to represent the interests of the party.

The money from the license is in a percentage of the sale of the product. It's also not limited to "per item" it can be "per time period". Which means some ppl won't see money till that time has passed. We don't know if the percentage was as much as 12% or as little as 2% and we also don't know what it was renegotiated for. The money HAS to go somewhere and as long as there's someone alive from the soundtrack, it needs to be renegotiated every time the license expires. We also don't know how long the license lasts for since this isn't part of the music industry.

Literal Quote from the "Length of Ownership" Law
"Works made for hire (i.e. music made for television or film soundtracks), pseudonymous works and anonymous works are exceptions and last for the shortest of either 95 years following a work's publication or 120 years following a work's creation."

So, we also don't know how long Alan Wake will be on the steam storefront and the only indication is the amount of years the license contract was signed for. Which, again, We do not have a copy of that.

maybe ther game doesn;t make them money directly, but then people play the game, hear the music look the bands up and then maybe even buy the music, crap like these liscense issues make me not want to buy the music, and make me regret buying some of the music, they want to be greedy and possibly ruin a game for ever, then they don;t deserve my money period, I know how liscensing works well enough, i think its stupid selfish and greedy.

[sh9683]

if they didn;t want it in the game they should have said no from day one, not allow it and then have it so people can;t buy the game because they changed their minds later.

[Knightwolf]

what Lunch Lady said this is why most games don't use real world music because it expires after a while vs a generic song for a game does not. it might not even be the poets of the fall music but music after each chapter.
https://youtu.be/CcGtEwCtNWg?t=58

[Shrek 2 On DVD]

Originally posted by sh9683:

maybe ther game doesn;t make them money directly, but then people play the game, hear the music look the bands up and then maybe even buy the music, crap like these liscense issues make me not want to buy the music, and make me regret buying some of the music, they want to be greedy and possibly ruin a game for ever, then they don;t deserve my money period, I know how liscensing works well enough, i think its stupid selfish and greedy.

Originally posted by sh9683:

if they didn;t want it in the game they should have said no from day one, not allow it and then have it so people can;t buy the game because they changed their minds later.

I can't argue with this logic. You win this one out of sheer stupidity.

[Knightwolf]

Originally posted by Lunch Lady:

Originally posted by sh9683:

maybe ther game doesn;t make them money directly, but then people play the game, hear the music look the bands up and then maybe even buy the music, crap like these liscense issues make me not want to buy the music, and make me regret buying some of the music, they want to be greedy and possibly ruin a game for ever, then they don;t deserve my money period, I know how liscensing works well enough, i think its stupid selfish and greedy.

Originally posted by sh9683:

if they didn;t want it in the game they should have said no from day one, not allow it and then have it so people can;t buy the game because they changed their minds later.

I can't argue with this logic. You win this one out of sheer stupidity.

this is why the block button was added becuase the game was actually made around the songs and as well steven king mainly twine peaks no music = no game