Dark urge spoiler: *Slayer form* power should be buffed

[Bird Stalker]

Just got it as I'm getting ready to wrap up part two. Really very pleased to see this call back to previous games and powers like this are my all time favorite thing in basically all media. I love having like a powerful dark form to call upon, but unfortunately here there is precious little reason to even use the ability, let alone commit to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heinously evil act required to gain it.

My fighter at level 8 ♥♥♥♥♥ all over this thing. I thought it might be cool enough to tempt me away from doing a dark urge found therapy playthrough, but after testing it I realize it's a very huge compromise on my character for a power that's basically a straight nerf.

Has anyone made a build to make Slayer form really shine perchance? It if isn't good on its own merits, I'd at least like to build towards making it a good crown jewel in another playthrough.

[M13908]

Yes, it is incredibly weak and has many issues with it. Been sending feedback about it for a while now but its yet to be acted on.

[victorvnv]

I only went for it once.

I had an open hand strength based monk, took it in act 2 and decided to try it on the ambushing githuanki patrol.

The patrol slaughtered me without me even scratching them. The leader just hit 4 strikes on me and killed me.

Meanwhile with my monk and the cloak I managed to solo the entire patrol without taking damage by just killing them one by one and becoming invisible after.

I never used that form again.

On top of all that my monk at that time had 90% hit chance while as slayer all of a sudden I had like 65%, plus way nerfed damage.

The form is just pathetic.

Even the Orin fight, when I duel her in her slayer form I usually kill her beofre she makes a move or worst case scenario round 2 , one of the easies boss fights ever.

The form is just pathetic, I wouldn’t use it even if i could get it for free with some magic item

[Izlude]

Slayer form is weaker than my characters base form. Its like reverse Freeza.
*Powers up and changes form*
Fool, I am now in my ultimate form. I am now 75% weaker than I was a moment ago mwahahaha I had trouble with you a moment ago but now that im significantly weaker im sure you wont stand a chance!!!

[a.out]

Pretty disappointed as well, though I got it on a Wizard and just ran out of Spellslots in a fight, at which point it was actually useful for once.

[Felrim]

Slayer form is actually better than it looks like. If you hover over the Slayar form abilities and press T (if you're playing with a keyboard), you'll see a lot of bleed synergies. That is, for the Slayer form to be effective, the target must be bleeding. And if the target is bleeding and prone, your hit is guaranteed to be critical and will hang a pretty strong debuff on the target.

The main problem is that it is not at all intuitive and is not shown in any way unless you look at the detailed description of abilities by pressing T.

[BigJ]

+1

[Moonbane]

Also hearing theres some issues with the multihit ability of the Slayer. But it seems to me that the Slayer form would pair well a tiger wildheart barbarian, they can do a move to make multiple targets bleed.

And tiger aspect just makes it even more crazy. Double Strength Modifier on Attack Rolls against Bleeding or Poisoned targets, gain proficiency in Survival.

[Felrim]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Also hearing theres some issues with the multihit ability of the Slayer. But it seems to me that the Slayer form would pair well a tiger wildheart barbarian, they can do a move to make multiple targets bleed.

And tiger aspect just makes it even more crazy. Double Strength Modifier on Attack Rolls against Bleeding or Poisoned targets, gain proficiency in Survival.

Does the Tiger aspect work in Slayer form?

[Revan619]

There is literally no reason to use it other than wasting a turn

[Felrim]

Okay, I made some testings.

The Slayer's normal attack is guaranteed to critical if the target is prone, if the target is bleeding then the debuff will also be applied.

If the target is dazed, Slayer's Multi Attack skill will be guaranteed to critical, if the target is bleeding, each Multi Attack hit will deal additional damage.

The Slayer's skill that imposes bleeding on the target does not count as an melee attack, that is, after it you will not be able to make a bonus attack if you are a martial class.

Melee attacks of Slayer count as unarmed attacks, that is, all feats and passives that work from a weapon attacks specifically will not work.

Feat Tavern Brawler only works for half, it will double the strength bonus to attack rolls, but not for damage rolls, maybe it's a bug.

[Moonbane]

Regarding tavern brawler, i hear it has the exact same behavior for druid wildshapes as described above for the slayer.

[Chaosolous]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Regarding tavern brawler, i hear it has the exact same behavior for druid wildshapes as described above for the slayer.

I literally justt tested this and can confirm. No extra damage, yes extra attack when it comes to being in WildShape.

[Bird Stalker]

Originally posted by a.out:

Pretty disappointed as well, though I got it on a Wizard and just ran out of Spellslots in a fight, at which point it was actually useful for once.

This is my current gameplan for it. Do a full evil playthrough with pact warlock and use slayerform when I want to spare my other resources. Really hope Larian gives this ability a facelift and soon, because right now it's really just a lot of wasted effort on their end.

[Bird Stalker]

Originally posted by M13908:

Yes, it is incredibly weak and has many issues with it. Been sending feedback about it for a while now but its yet to be acted on.

Where are you sending feedback? I'd love to chime in and hopefully make it just a little more likely Larian listens.

[Husker_85]

Just get the Displacer Beast form instead. You get it shortly after you would get the Slayer form anyways, it's way better, and the other powers it comes with (like flight) are so, so good. All for the low low price of some weird purple veins.