Who is the most hateful NPC in BG3?

[φ( 0 ▽ 0 *)♪]

I am Balthazar.
When I look at his face, I feel the urge to kill.
Originally, in this game, players need to keep NPC alive to access the next story.
But the moment I saw him today, I immediately attacked him in the first conversation,
and in 30 seconds I smashed his head with an axe.(￣へ￣)

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

I hate the Necromancer at the carnival in Act 3.

BG3 is full of terrible people - it's what makes the story interesting. At least the other horrible people in the story can be killed or humbled with some sort of cathartic dialogue or quest. You're supposed to hate Khaga, and supposed to feel catharsis when you bring about her downfall - or revel in the 'realpolitik'/sadism of siding with her. She serves a useful role as an actor in the story in that way, so I can't hate her for it.

Carnival necromancer though? Nope sry they're treated by the game as even more innocent than the Tiefling refugees. Horrible person but the player also isn't allowed to express dissatisfaction with them via dialogue or quest.

[⎛⎝ Kupo ⎠⎞]

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I've seen her described as '' someone who knows what the internet and iphones are '' and I think that summarizes her character pretty well, it's like she's written to appeal to Redditors and Tumblr users.

Considering she's got half her head shaved, and bright red highlights in her black hair...

Yeah, that seems like a pretty accurate assessment.

Also, due to the cut content of the upper city, Karlach's personal story has the least impact on the campaign. In the sense that it has virtually NO impact on the campaign.

Everyone else among the Origins has something to contribute to Act 3 and the final battle. But with Karlach, her only motivation is to kill Gortash, which can possibly be done (though with great difficulty) as soon as you enter Wyrm's Rock Crossing.

Honestly, you could toss Karlach from the story completely and the plot wouldn't even notice.

Her only saving grace is that she'll volunteer to become a squid, so you can free Orpheus without having to sacrifice either of you in the process.

She doesn't grow at all that's another issue I have with her and why most of the obsession people have with her feels so shallow.
She's a very one-dimensional character that feels like she's just written to be fanservice and nothing else.

Every other character in the game has actual character growth, even Minthara does.
Karlach just feels like she's written '' for the audience '' and with a very particular audience in mind rather than as a real person.
I think characters being '' unlikeable '' on first impression isn't a bad thing, I am not saying all of them have to be Gale and Wyll for instance aren't.
But Karlach is just trying way too hard to be wholesome and likeable to a point it feels fake and it just makes no sense with her backstory.
It's very hard to believe someone with her past would be like that, she should be a bit more like Astarion basically a bit more screwed up.
Instead she's written like a cartoon character.

[GrandMajora]

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But Karlach is just trying way too hard to be wholesome and likeable to a point it feels fake and it just makes no sense with her backstory.
It's very hard to believe someone with her past would be like that, she should be a bit more like Astarion basically a bit more screwed up.
Instead she's written like a cartoon character.

Very true. Not sure how the hell you get betrayed by the man you trusted most, spend 10 years in LITERAL HELL, fighting on the front lines of the BLOOD WAR against DEMONS, and still retain a cheery disposition after that.

Also, where the hell did she get the dye for those highlights? Because it certainly wasn't in the Nine Hells. That place is the physical embodiment of tyranny itself, and does not take kindly to methods of creative self expression.

[Orion Invictus]

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But Karlach is just trying way too hard to be wholesome and likeable to a point it feels fake and it just makes no sense with her backstory.
It's very hard to believe someone with her past would be like that, she should be a bit more like Astarion basically a bit more screwed up.
Instead she's written like a cartoon character.

Very true. Not sure how the hell you get betrayed by the man you trusted most, spend 10 years in LITERAL HELL, fighting on the front lines of the BLOOD WAR against DEMONS, and still retain a cheery disposition after that.

Because some people mask discomfort, depression, and PTSD with humor and an upbeat attitude. More to the point, not everyone reacts to the same things in the same way.

Surely this isn't news to you.

[GrandMajora]

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Because some people mask discomfort, depression, and PTSD with humor and an upbeat attitude. More to the point, not everyone reacts to the same things in the same way.

Surely this isn't news to you.

There is a limit to that.

[Orion Invictus]

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Because some people mask discomfort, depression, and PTSD with humor and an upbeat attitude. More to the point, not everyone reacts to the same things in the same way.

Surely this isn't news to you.

There is a limit to that.

There really isn't. Ask anyone who helps people with PTSD or depression. Or just look at all the famous outwardly cheerful people who were deeply depressed and ended up killing themselves.

[GrandMajora]

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and ended up killing themselves.

Like I said, "a limit."

Karlach's personality might be forgiven if any one of those events happened to her. But all of them back to back? Yeah, nobody's making it through that and coming out the other side acting like they're trying to stay in touch with today's youth.

[Orion Invictus]

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and ended up killing themselves.

Like I said, "a limit."

Karlach's personality might be forgiven if any one of those events happened to her. But all of them back to back? Yeah, nobody's making it through that and coming out the other side acting like they're trying to stay in touch with today's youth.

There's such a thing as "repression", you know. Also "denial". And "utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happiness at being free from Hell". And no, these things don't have limits either (the first two, anyway).

For examples of limitless denialism, look at those flat-Earthers who denied the Earth was around even as their self-proposed experiment had the exact results you'd expect if the Earth were round (because it is), and they themselves admitted those results were consistent with a round Earth. They're still flat-Earthers. They literally saw proof that they were wrong, collected with their OWN experiment, but they're still in denial.

Try playing AS Karlach, see just how much she's pretending.

[GrandMajora]

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Try playing AS Karlach, see just how much she's pretending.

I have tried playing as Karlach, and it made me dislike her even more. She breaks the 4th wall by treating the player as a disembodied voice in her head, that merely offers suggestions to her, instead of being the one in the driver's seat. Sometimes she'll even have conversations with us!

None of the other origin characters do this. Not even The Dark Urge, who is the one origin character who should be hearing disembodied voices.

DM PC's are typically frowned upon by the player community. If I choose one of these characters for my primary avatar, I want the agency of dictating their personality and behavior. Not have it preassigned for me.

Karlach is the most annoying, out of place character in the roster, and she's the only one in the game who I have not even considered trying to romance yet.

Yes, that's right, I've considered romancing Halsin before trying to hook up with the Twitter Tiefling.

[alanc9]

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Try playing AS Karlach, see just how much she's pretending.

I have tried playing as Karlach, and it made me dislike her even more. She breaks the 4th wall by treating the player as a disembodied voice in her head, that merely offers suggestions to her, instead of being the one in the driver's seat. Sometimes she'll even have conversations with us.

You've sold me on playing her for an Origin run.

[Toaster Maximus]

Boo is of-course

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Like I said, "a limit."

Karlach's personality might be forgiven if any one of those events happened to her. But all of them back to back? Yeah, nobody's making it through that and coming out the other side acting like they're trying to stay in touch with today's youth.

There's such a thing as "repression", you know. Also "denial". And "utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happiness at being free from Hell". And no, these things don't have limits either (the first two, anyway).

The last one resonates with me. Karlach's personality maps very nicely onto the only vet I know who actually had to pay a serious price. Dude got blown up by an IED. Lost one eye and a big chunk of his skull, which he never bothered to cosmetically replace. Fortunately, he didn't lose any parts of his brain that he really needed. He would have died right there if his platoon sergeant hadn't dragged him out of the line of fire; I think the sergeant got one of the big medals for that.

Dan's the most well-adjusted person I know, actually. (Likely because most of my friends are neurotic hipster tyoes.) Could've died, and statistically speaking should have died. But he didn't. And now he gets to life his life, close enough to intact as to not matter. And it's great.

The big difference is that he sometimes ♥♥♥♥♥ with people in a way I don't think Karlach would. For example, he had a fake glass eye made up with a jagged shard of glass protruding from the pupil. He'll sometimes slip that one in after midnight in a dim bar, just to see if anyone's paying attention.

Is he secretly traumatized inside? How would I know?

[Torvah]

She who invented that diabolic gauntlet

[TimRazz]

Wulbren, such a jerk. I wanted so baaad for Barcus to toast the bastard in the encounter at the Foundry in A3 :)

[AsianGirlLover]

Early-access Wyll was definitely the most hateful when it came to his disgust for Goblins. Honestly, his story was a lot more interesting before launch.